LCPS thumb-taping incident probed
Fox 5 Atlanta is reporting a parapro at Lamar County Primary School is being investigated for taping a five-year-old's thumbs to stop her from sucking them.
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When I saw that hot-trifling mess on the news last night, I thought I was gonna be sick.
This is the PARENTS job to stop the child from sucking her thumb, why isn't the teacher saying THIS??
And maybe, just maybe, if your 5yr old is still sucking her thumb, you should be an intelligent enough parent/grandparent to recognize maybe you could use a little help in getting the child to stop a self-destructive habit she should have given up years ago.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/grandma-teacher-used-duct-tape-on-thumb-sucking-girl-20101209-es
Professional educator, an oxymoron if there ever was one.
Para-pro was in the right and this would have never happened if the parents did their job. That is the problem, teachers have to do the parents job because of the LACK of home training.
Half of u know that if it were your child you would have done the same thing also
I think Menza and her mother did the right thing. Barnesville is not above being put on blast just like the rest of the world. Right is right and wrong is wrong!!!! Like it or not that teacher was WRONG!
Menza, what, if anything, is it that you think the teacher should have done since this was obviously an issue?
The child was disrupting the class; therefore the child should have been disciplined.
If it were my child, I'd be thankful it was just a piece of tape on the thumb and not on the mouth and not a paddling.
I have heard kids whine over silly things, but that's to be expected. To have an ADULT whine over something so trivial, that's just outright disgusting.
This is the PARENTS job to stop the child from sucking her thumb, why isn't the teacher saying this THIS time?
Education classes and Early Childhood classes and during all of my training, there is no set time to make a child stop sucking their thumb. We as a society can't make anyone do anything, they have to do it when they want to do it. Yes, you can get germs but that doesn't mean anything anymore. Just get some medication for the cold and keep the hands washed. I learned that some may carry blankets, suck their thumbs or even hold on to parents for comfort, but they will eventually stop when THEY WANT TO not just because we (the society) told them too. Just because your child don't suck their fingers, some kids do and we should leave them along and not pressured them to stop. SHE WILL EVENTUALLY STOP!!!!!!
Children have to be educated by law (not that child's choice). Your thinking lets others believe that you are not worried about your future students actually learning anything within your class because they will do it "when they want to."
Advice - Try a different profession!
Menza is overseas fighting in what is still a war. You should focus on that instead of trying to wage a war here that your mother is capable of handling, if you truly left her to be the guardian of your child. And your mom is a grown woman who can handle the matter. This issue here is how diplomatic should she have been. My situation was more serious that yours, but when I approached the school in a dilomatic manner, the issue was resolved. Matters handled without all of the drama and attention are the most effective.
HOWEVER, since we are on the subject of the LAMAR CO. PRIMARY SCHOOL, I am told that something needs to be done about the Principal at the school. I have seen first hand her nasty attitude. I am further told by some teachers that she is a character to work with. I will use the word tempermental as opposed to crazy, as the term used. Reports have it that teachers and parents have reported her behavior to the Superintendent and yet NOTHING has been done about the recurring problems and issues with the Principal at the Primary School. With the high salary that she makes, maybe it's time for use parents to look into why nothing has been done to the Principal for the crap that she does to parents, teachers, and other staff. If she can't do her job, there are other people out there who are much capable of performing. The issue with the child and parapro in question here could be handled and resolved easily, if there is truly and issue. Maybe, though, it's time for the Board of Education to look into the Primary School Principal to see what problems she has. One of her teacher's resigned because she couldn't work with her. It's bad to try to work, take care of good and bad kids, and then have a boss (in this case a Principal) that you can't work with. Check with the Board members and the Superintendent to see what's really going on the her.
And, it takes more than the Principal to make the school what it is. A Principal's low down dirty scare tactics don't cut it, but rather breaks down the moral of the teachers. I bet they are miserable, but because of the need to have a job in this economy, everybody can't say what they want to say. Dr. Truby needs to pull the teachers and other support staff to the side "individually" and talk with them. The Board too. And assure that that their conversation will remain confidential. He will find out who the fox is. And if you support her so much, Mz. Friend, maybe you should get gone too!!
Now, can we hear from someone at the Primary School who ain't no buddy with the Principal.
Seriously?! Poll the teachers at LCPS. You will get the same response. We are fully satisified with our administration. The LCES teachers commenting are "friends" with Dr. Scandrett in the same regard as the teachers are with Dr. Steele.
We are not children. Your scarcasm is noted and disregarded.
And just for the record, I never really expected those teachers or support staff who don't like the LCPS Principal to step up to the plate. There is no sense in getting on her bad side for this public blog. As hard as it is to find jobs, these days, I would say I loved the ole gal myself...... even if she placed a tooth pick dead center of my back. It's all good.
And on behalf of us good taxpayers, keep up the good job, but don't tape up nobody, don't let no chairs fall on these children's heads, etc.
However, teachers and parents need to communicate better. Other schools have been very successful in increasing parent involvement. Perhaps someone should do more research to see how that works.
The teacher's actions were not appropriate, and no way one day of thumb taping is going to fix a 5 yr habit. Any intervention of a long term issue like that needs to be done in conjunction with the family, not in spite of the family and without their consent. The judgement of that teacher is very questionable.
However, calling the news seems to be going a bit overboard.
Your child was NOT abused. Sometimes humiliation is a good learning experience, and your daughter is in for a very hard life if you raise her with the mentality that she can do whatever she pleases without having to face the consequences of her actions.
Your child is not more special than her classmates; she should NOT have been disruptive, period. Today it’s sucking her thumb, tomorrow it’s showing disrespect to her teacher because “mommy” will defend her, in high school it turns to drugs, knives, guns, violence, who KNOWS. Then you’ll be saying, “I don’t know what I did wrong to deserve this. I’m such a good mother, I raised her to be a good person, why is everyone always picking on her to make her be as she is today”!
There are a lot of mothers that have learned this hard lesson, and all one has to do is look at the state of many teens in high school to see this fact is true.
You baby a baby, but one should start cutting those apron strings; start guiding and teaching, once the baby has taken it’s first steps. And if she is 5 and still sucking her thumb….well that’s as bad as her having a pacifier or bottle in her mouth. She is not a baby any longer!
How many of you who are saying this is so wrong had a drunk biology teacher in high school here in Lamar county? How many of us watched Lamar County run off one of the Best English teachers many of us ever had or ever will have.
So many issues have been swept under the rug and hidden from the general public. Lets see I remember issues that a certain principal and I remember a certain asst. principal who's children could do no wrong and they got away with everything under the sun.
Those of you making all this noise about how wrong it was for Menza to go to the media about this I ask you one question.
HOW MAD WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN IF THIS HAD BEEN DONE TO YOUR CHILD? We all know you wouldn't be sitting behind your keyboard saying oh it was deserved. You would be showing your butt.
also- if you are in iraq fighting for our country,please refrain from using the internet so much...kind of sets an example for the rest of the troops...
What kind of idiots are we?
Lady, I hope nobody's dog craps in your yard- I don't want to have to read about it in People magazine.
I guarantee you, if that lady had called Granny and said, "Your Grandbaby is sucking her thumb...please come and pick her up or give me permission to place tape on her thumb." Granny would have allowed Crime Scene Tape to be put on her thumb before she would have made the trip to school.
One more thing, I truly have a hard time believing that Mommy makes a huge sum of money in the military. My son is a Chief Petty Officer and his wife still needs a job.
In our school system. Then they should have a class play called sucksphere.
I can hear it now "hark hark where art thow Sucketh Romeo. "aw Juliette you know that I art at walmart with my Lamar county high school go no where diploma.... Will bring home day loaf of bread
Then you can see a list of ways to stop thumbsucking by Dr.Dan Peterson - taping the end of the thumbs is one of his suggested methods to stop this problem.
If the grandma would have taken her daughter to a Dentist, maybe the doctor would have gave her this list and she would have already dealt with the problem at home.
If mom is so busy in Iraq, how does she have time to be on the computer all the time blogging? Another example of our tax dollars being wasted over seas.
If all of this energy was spent on something positive, this community would really grow!
Is this really news worthy?? Come on Walter focus on positive things that are happening in the community. I am sure there are many positive topics to write about that are happening in the school system.
This does not mean go out and eat bird poop. But it does mean enjoy some home made snow ice cream. The little God sent germs you consume in that may eliminate your need for a bird flu vaccine.
Ain't God's nature grand.
I have a nephew who was bit by a copperhead snake two times. The doctor said the previous small snake bite is what saved his life.
This does not mean go sleep with snakes. But it does mean "live in God's world, not in a bubble."
Good points, Dale.
Anyone who is afraid for their children to play in and eat a little dirt, needs to plant their crops in the air.
I thought that was why we made mud pies as a kid.
On with the mud wrestling...yee haw!
To 56.2 Anonymous
The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.
Abraham Lincoln
It appears Mr. Lincoln was right in my opinion. Unlike so many people voicing opinions here that does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand by their opinion with identification.
Everybody is talking about what is right and what is wrong, or whether or not my family members are looking for some type of attention or fame. I do have to questions the para-pro's actions, but I don't think that he or she should not lose his or her job behind it. There should be some type of reprimand that will satisfy both sides involved.
I have to ask each and everyone of you to really think (truthfully) what would you have done if it had been your child? Would you come to the defense of your child or would you just push it to the side and tell him or her to keep it moving? I can't say what I would have done because I have not been put into that situation. One thing that I know that I would not do and that is to use it as an opportunity to personally attack someone!
I'm sure that my comments are going to pushed under the rug and ignored because they make too much sense. But I would like to see the "anonymous" and fake identities removed. If you are going to make any comment at all then you should not hide behind it! I put my name out there and have said what I wanted to say (and I'm sure someone is not going to like it and say something about-that's just fine with me). Identity yourself so that we all can put a name with the comment and know how much attention that we should really pay to you. Have a nice day!!!!!!!
Darling you really should look at your family first before making comments. None of your aunts are married. Most of the children in your family all have different dads. You come from a messy group of people. i can remember your grandmother. She was messy as well. And very nasty. She use to keep Slop in a washing machine. She you probably are to young to remember that. But, I have said all this to say: You need to sweep around your own front door before you guys try to sweep around everyone Else's.
Thanks,
Mrs. Sallie Mae Moore
It still amazes me how people feel like their words are the only thing that matters. I don't know you or anyone that you are affiliated with, but I will pray for you. Hopefully one day if we ever meet, we will be able to sit down and have an intelligent conversation. But until then I hope and pray that you will enjoy the remainder of days that you have on this Earth. Enjoy them to the fullest and leave this foolishness alone. If we keep attacking each other this way then none of us are going to be completely fulfilled!!!!!!
Per request of someone special to me, this will the be last post that I make. People please take the time and enjoy your life and stop all of the frivolous nonsense!!!!!
If parents really love a child, they try to save the child future embarrassment.
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Happy health to all and to all a good night.
Now get behind me and hush.
Aparently most of you do not realize that no employee of the schools has a right to put their hands on ANY child unless their is a risk of harm or injuries.
A child still sucking their thumb at any age is not a horrid thing. You people are silly. It is no different than one who still wets the bed but you don't tell others about that one in public most of the time. It is really nobody elses concern if this child sucks her thumb but her own and her immediate family if there is a possible health concern.
The issue at hand is that this parapro had NO RIGHT to put anything on this child. PERIOD.
Both of these scenarios do not hurt the other kids, but they still contribute to germs being spread. Do the teachers just leave the kid to themselves because they shouldn't touch the child? Get a grip. It is ignorance like this that make school systems in the shape they are in.
Yes, teachers are there to teach. However, if the students' basic needs (clothing, food, and shelter) are not being met, then learning cannot transpire. Teachers do not have an easy job at all. They have a facet of responsibilities - a coach, disciplinarian, protector, entertainer, friend, parent, counselor, mentor, arbitrator, nurse, confidant, janitor, and most of all a teacher.
It is so sad that individuals are making negative comments about teachers, paraprofessionals, and the principal, and yet cannot use correct grammar and/or spelling. These are the individuals that preach homeschool. If they wish to homeschool, that is great. However, do not knock the Pre-K - 2 school system.
And as far as the comment from Dale Maddox, his granddaughter does not suck her thumb at school! That is a complete falsification to get a rise out of people claiming an injustice has been committed.
If it was my child, I'd be thanking the para-pro for helping what mommy and daddy could not accomplish. This has to be the most dysfunctional family in Barnesville.
you are wrong now i even thou i am 10 i think you are wrong because kids SHOULD be able to suck their thumbs i even know somebody that is in the same grade as me and she sucks her thumb nobody does anything about it!!!!!!
I see plenty wrong with what they did, and for you to say anyone who thinks that is an un-loving parent shows just how ignorant you truly are. Get your head out of the clouds and come back down to planet earth.
Let some slurping noise disrupt my child’s learning time, and if the teacher doesn't do something about, I'm the parent the other parent will have to deal with! Thank GOD the school system is pretty good about keeping things in check so that parents do not end up confronting one another.
My child goes to school to learn something, and her learning time is held of great value to me. The grandmother and mother of this child should be thanking the para-pro, she did NOTHING wrong!
A bit of tape, oh for crying out loud, yes it's most certainly the fault of the parents that if their five year old child is still sucking his or her thumb. It's parents like that who raise innocent children into ignorant, whining, violent brats! I'm not saying this child is one, but they need to teach that child to grow up!
And to run to the media with the whining, maybe they should start sucking their thumbs too! Because they are acting more immature than a 5-year old!
I could be a lot more explicit and candid in expressing this point, but the 'general statement' beginning this thread should be sufficient for those that really understand what the real issues are in this scenario.
I bet the parents of those who just comitted murder wish they would have done a better job of raising their children. If someone had of took the time to teach them right and wrong, maybe they wouldnt be in the situitation they are in and maybe a kid wouldnt be dead.
I dont know these people. Do they complain a lot? To resort to calling the news in for something as minor as this leads me to believe that they do.
What branch of the military is the mom in?
In the beginning of the video, they said that the thumbs got "taped together" then they said that the thumbs just had tape on them. Which one is the truth. Two different stories here.
Were the thumbs taped together OR was there tape applied to each thumb individually? One seems to be an act of correction/training and the other sounds like an act of discipline.
I think we are talking about 4 year old kids in Pre - K, is that right?
I have no problem with discipline in regards to a 4 year old but I am not sure if the message of taping the thumbs together would register as a disciplinary action to them.
If a peice of tape was applied to each thumb as a reminder not to suck the thumb,
I SAY, GOOD JOB PARA PRO
He has crooked elected officials all over the world, an idiot president in the United States and people willingly sacrificing their lives for The United States. I hope the military serving our country is his highest priority.
The thumb sucking kid can stand in line.
By the way, do not think it is the parents problem because we have talked to her over and over again and she still has problem with it. She has asked us and God to pray for her and all we can do is wait for God to answer her prayers. Taping fingers is not the solution, that will make it worst. Step away and pray for the little girl! God Bless!
What kind of relationship/marriage is that where granny is legal guardian and not the father of the child?
My advice to the Ogletree/Buckner family -- do not continue to feed the trolls on this blog. Menza and Faye you are great people and many of these same idiots would have complained as well if their young child's hands were taped together.
This issue isn't a matter of race it's about the rights of a parent to discipline and correct their child's behavior. Thumb sucking is very common amongst children of that age and with proper parental coaching children will grow out of it. If the teacher really wanted to be helpful her or she could have sent a note home or set up a conference to discuss this behavior. They went too far with the taping.
She always started crap, cried to her daddy, and then repeated...an endless, pointless cycle.
Keep an eye on it.
Their attempt at embarassing the school administration backfired in ways that they had not anticipated. (Glass Houses)
Menza and Faye, I guessed you both learned not to take a Nuclear bomb to a fist fight LOL!
Menza...did anything positive come about by your contacting the media?
Does it bring you peace knowing your family/our school system were slightly bashed? I hope you learn how to handle situations in a more mature-positive-professional way, therefore something like this does not bring unnecessary attention to your family and/or our community again.
And yes you do know me b/c we have worked together before.
Note: My children attend the the Lamar County Schools, and as a overally protective parent, I do feel this situation went overboard.
Sincerely,
April B