This article is very misleading. I for one know that the Commissioners, while being sensitive to what the community is going through during the ordeal, have bent over backward to try to get this thing settled in a way that would allow Greenco to continue to stay in operation while they are pursuing their move to DeKalb County. Maybe you should do a little more investigation into the facts before you print something that is meant to just stir up the blogging.
I don't find it misleading. I will be glad when this place finally shuts down and I do not even live near there. When a business causes controversy from the time they open and continues to do so when told to leave, they really are not welcome.
I agree totally with you ... let me clarify what I meant by misleading....when I first read the article, I felt that it was criticizing the Commissioners by suggesting that the Commissioners were being unreasonable with Greenco ... but after reading your post and re-reading the article, I no longer get that perception.
Tim Lesko created his predicament and he has no one to blame but himself.
That's not a fair statement towards Lesko. He operates a business that deals with decomposing matter and when you have decomp. You have a smell to go along with it. Do I think its a great thing what GreenCo does? Absolutely! But, with the smell you need lots space to do it in. I'm all for recycling anything including food and other natural matter to make fertilizer to grow the fresh foods we ALL eat today. Now on friday there will be 20 more people out of work until GreenCo can move their operation to where ever they can without getting kicked in the teeth because a few folks can't handle the smell. Have a nice day and merry christmas to all this year!
Lesko deliberately broke EPD regulations when they moved potentially very dangerous dead test lab animals and animal bedding into the facility from Emory. That alone justifies cutting him no slack.
Not to mention the compost facility broke their agreement to control smells. Really sorry he was "new" to the business so did not know how to operate the facility properly--maybe he should have known what he was doing before starting a business that so clearly negatively affects others.
So not only has Greenco shown they are incompetent, with the lab animals they have shown they are deliberately putting people at risk (maybe for a few extra bucks or maybe in retailiation for being kicked out of the county for failure to live up to an agreement they entered into). So is Greenco incompetent or just vindictive?
Well, Anon, you can grow all the food you want to eat in that stuff, but I prefer not to grow our food in material that includes lab rat carcasses! Think I'll try some good old fashioned DIRT and maybe a little cow poo.
If YOU were one of the "few" who can't handle the smell from Greenco, you would sing a different tune! Merry Christmas to you too, at least it looks like we will be able to enjoy spending Christmas at home this year.
Well thank you barnesville for making the unemployment line a little bit longer. The compost Greenco make is excellent for all things that grow in dirt. Before long Barnesville will be a ghost town if every one keeps running industry out of town. So thank you Barnesville for making Greenco employees and families Christmas very merry.
S.W.--You should really be thanking Greenco's owners for opening a business they did not know how to operate and then deliberately violating the law by bringing dead lab animals into the facility. Not only do they deserve to be thrown out of the county, they should be fined and/or prosecuted for the dead animals which they HAD to know was wrong.
How could he ever learn how to operate this business barnesville never gave him a chance. Who would think you can compost with out any odor and by the way it is by the LANDFILL that stinks also and no one is crying about that. The reason no one is crying about the landfill is that all you barnesville people have to use it. What are going to do when the landfill runs out of property and gets your property for what they say is fair market value. One day barnesville will be a large garbage dump but you all will be happy.
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11/10/11 at 02:31 PM
Please, give me a break..."How could he ever learn how to operate this business barnesville never gave him a chance"...Greenco was given a 3 year chance to get their act together. Tim Lesko did not know what he was doing when he located here and we have had to put up with the detrimental side of his experiment for the entire time.
If the employees lose their jobs, they only have Greenco to blame. The County was willing to give the Leskos an extension to get all of their permitting done in DeKalb County, provided that they abided by the stipulations placed on that extension. Apparently, Tim Lesko refuses to abide by any of them. Why should the County work with him, knowing how much he has lied in the past, when he refuses to work with the County. Why should the County work with someone who does not even abide by the regulations in his EPD permit, regulations that did not allow lab bedding and dead lab animals to be dumped at the site. The Leskos are the ones at fault here... not the County, not the people who live in the community and certainly not the landfill... because as has been stated here by many people before and I will add here now - THERE ARE NO ODORS EMANATING INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OR THE SURROUNDING AREA FROM THE LANDFILL.
The people in this community deserve to breath fresh air. We have put up with the disgusting odors coming from Greenco for almost 3 years. However, we were willing to put up with it a little longer so that Greenco could go through the process of getting approved by DeKalb County and then getting their EPD permits, but not without some stipulations put into place to guarantee that Tim was actually going through the process. By refusing to abide by those stipulations, Tim had made his bed, now he has to sleep in it ... it's just too bad that his bed is not in the middle of his fly infested business site.
Hello! It's not as easy as the web may make you think... ever try it on such a large scale? Part of the problem initially was he hired people who had studied composting to help him design his system, but these people had never done it in practice. Not only this, but he didn't clean the contaminants out before the mixing... and those biobags that are supposed to break down actually trap in waste so that it can't compost.
This is done successfully elsewhere... but it takes a lot of manpower and effort, as well as experience, which neither he, nor his "experts" had.
I am convinced now that you don't know what your talking about at all. Do you seriously think for one second that a major medical school like Emory Univ. would even send contagious / infected lab rats to a composting business or a land fill. Things like that are sent to an approved facility to be burned so there wouldn't be any risk of a disease getting out to the public.
I second "got a clue"s comment. Properly disposing of biohazards is medicine 101, and Emory being a huge research and teaching hospital would know that. Also, they have a major sustainability program, and since Greenco is the first large-scale composting facility in Georgia, Emory and Greenco cleared all the waste they bring onto the property. I suggest putting in a call to Emory to find out for sure, because accusing Emory of allowing their biohazards to be improperly disposed is a pretty major accusation. I'm sure they'd be happy to answer questions from concerned citizens. For more on Emory's sustainability measures, read here: http://sustainability.emory.edu/
Also, Greenco is not a large company. What were the stipulations placed on the conditions for the extension? Why was the appeal never brought to the judge? And will the county buy the land back from the Leskos? It seems reasonable, considering they are being forced out, but then the county loses that tax income.
With the recent closing of Jordan lumber, the job situation in Barnesville, among the worst in the state, has gone from severe to critical. I fear people will have to relocate to find jobs. Does the county have a plan in place to bring in jobs?
I don't wish to offend anyone, I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
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11/10/11 at 09:59 PM
Per the EPD permit, no animals of any kind are allowed to be disposed of at his site. The only bedding he is allowed to take is straw from agricultural animals.
# 4.1.2..I am sorry, but we do know what we are talking about. You just have to Google Greenco + Emory + Lab Animnals and you will find the info about Emory's agreement with Greenco. It is true that Emory does have a major sustainability program and they should have done further research before they entered into the agreement with Greenco to take the lab animals and bedding and they would have known that it is not allowed by the EPD. While they stated in the information online about their agreement that they would not be sending contaminated animals or bedding, we all know that mistakes do happen. Then it is too late. Would you like to get compost that might be contaminated with biohazards? Not to mention that if contaminated material is dumped onto the site, it can leach into the water table as the site is not lined and can get into the uncontrolled runoff during rainstorms since the windrows are not covered.
What you all seem to be forgetting here, is this is not some backyard composting bin, but a large commercial sitwe that also has a terrific problem with flies. The County was promised that there would be no odor problems. They were told in the beginning that the material being brought in was the vegetable waste from the lettuce packing plant in Butts county. However, Greenco then entered into contracts to haul waste including meat, dairy and seafood from Emory's food service and other restaurants in the Atlanta area. If you do any research, you will find that you cannot compost meat and dairy, much less seafood, without a horrendous odor problems. And you certainly cannot throw dead animals into the mix without odor, even if they are not contaminated. Tim has a three year history of lying and not following through with promises. Is the County supposed to just take him at his word that he will do what he says he is going to do now.
But once again, Tim Lesko has no one to blame but himself for the situation he is in now. It is very unfortunate that his employees will have to suffer because of his arrogance.
I can speak first hand to this whole operation as a former employee. There were NO EPA violations, the dead animals were pigs used for disecting and teaching not testing. Lamar county issued the business permits and we fully aware of the nature of the business and the issues such as odor.
Over the last 2 years Lamar county has asked for Greenco to do so much for them to make the area nicer and greenco obliged then every time. If you actually understand what the county did then you would know that Lamar county broke promise after promise and continually lied to the Leskos and its own residents. Educate yourselves before you speak people, maybe then we won't have employers running for the hills! TRUTH!!
Taylor, I must respectfully disagree with you. As a citizen that has been having to put up with the horrendous odor problems coming from Greenco, I for one have thoroughly educated myself and I understand exactly what the County has done. I know that they have bent over backwards to work with Greenco, to no avail. Greenco was given every opportunity to correct a problem that they were either unwilling to correct or could not correct. We are sick and tired of the Leskos acting like they are the victims. We were promised that there would be no odor connected to the operation. The County took them at good faith when the permits were issued. Later, at a town hall meeting, Greenco promised the citizens to do what ever it took to stop the odor. Oh, wait a minute, I do recall that when it was suggested by the citizens and the County that Greenco would have to up the carbon ratio to have any hope of lessening the odor, Tim defiantly stated that was not in his business plan. I guess we should have fully realized then, that Tim speaks with a forked tongue. Later, Tim made the statement at a Waste Industry meeting, that there are always odor problems connected with composting .. so which is it .. seems like that was lie # 1 and right from the beginning. At another time, Greenco was ordered to and agreed to build a bamboo or tree covered berm around the site to try to keep the odor confined to the site. Well, if you drive by the facility, I don't think that you will see any bamboo or tree covered berm, because there isn't one. I believe that either a few stalks of bamboo or maybe a couple of scraggly leyland cypresses may have been planted, but they were allowed to wither and die. So I guess you could say that he did abide by the order,but he was just thumbing his nose at the County and the Citizens as nothing was done to make sure that the vegetation survived. Instead of accepting the fact that he had a problem with his facility, Tim just kept blaming it on the land fill. A land fill that is run by a professional and has received National recognition for the manner in which it is run. And may I remind everyone once again, there are NO ODORS COMING FROM THE LANDFILL.
The people of this community have had to put up with disgusting odors and fly infestations coming from the site for almost 3 years because either Greenco does not want to do what it takes to control the odors or as has been stated before, there is no way to control the odors due to what is being composted. In fact the odor was so bad this morning that I had to hold a cloth over my nose just to get to my car or I would have thrown up. We are tired of mornings, days ,evenings and weekends like this, but we still agreed to the extension to the court order so that Greenco could move to Dekalb County instead of shutting them down on November 11. That is provided that Greenco abided by the stipulations that the judge authorized the County to draw up. Without those stipulations in place, there would be no guarantee that Greenco would abide by the timeline put in place. Tim has shown a contempt for the Commissioners and the Citizens of this County in all dealings in the past, so why should we believe that he would be different now. Tim entered an agreement with the County in the fall of 2010, that Greenco would relocate. Tim told the judge that he would be able to complete the relocation in 6 months. However, the judge realized that there was no way that Tim would be able to accomplish that and the order was drawn up allowing him 1 year. Well, lo and behold, one month out from the deadline of 11/11/11, Tim had not found a definite site to relocate to. We find out that he is in negotiations with LaFarge to move to a site in DeKalb County, but there are no signed agreements with LaFarge and they have not been approved by DeKalb County. And yet, even after putting up with all the cr*p ( no pun intended) that we have had to put up with, the citizens agreed to give Greenco the extension so that they would have time to follow through with everything that needed to be done in order to relocate. But, because of past dealings with Tim, and suggested by the judge, Greenco must abide by the stipulations drawn up by the County. Stipulations that are not unreasonable. Tim, however, in his arrogant defiance, refused to agree to the stipulations. Even with all of this, the County still left it open that they would extend the ruling provided that Tim abides by the stipulations .... so the ball is in Tim's court now. He has been given every chance. If Greenco is indeed shut down on 11/11/11, there is no one to blame but Greenco. I hope for the employees' sakes that Tim does what it takes to facilitate the move to DeKalb County.
As far as your other comment, first off, you are not dealing with the EPA but the EPD...
2nd.. I have spoken with the EPD and Greenco was NOT allowed to take any dead animals of any kind and no bedding other than straw from farming operations and they were reminded of that when the EPD came to inspect the site after they were informed of the agreement with Emory. Emory's own website states that they were sending dead lab animals with the exception of canines and primates. That means that they could be sending hoofed animals as well as all others. They may or may not have taken "only" pigs, but regardless of what type of animals were taken to the site, it remains that Greenco was not permitted to take any dead animal or lab bedding.
Once again Taylor, we have educated ourselves. We do not have a problem with any other industry that is located in the park and we welcome new businesses that want to be good neighbors and not create a nuisance.
"We do not have a problem with any other industry that is located in the park and we welcome new businesses that want to be good neighbors and not create a nuisance."
Right. So all the crying about the debarker noise from Rayonier wasn't you? All the harassment Billy Kitchens constantly gives the railroad about their noise around the industril park at night-you weren't in on that either?
Sorry, but I still fail to see how the Jordan operation was allowed to expel a burning bark smell from their operation and Greenco wasn't. What part of equal protection under the law do you people fail to understand?
Meanwhile construction of another large industrial operation continues in the real industrial park in Griffin.
The contrast in policies of the respective counties is striking. One is doing well replacing it's textile based economy, the other continues to circle the toilet bowl. Care to guess which is which?
continuing to say 'there are no odors from the landfill' does not make it more true each time. do you want to know why you haven't smelled the landfill so much in the past few years??...because they have been burying trash in a 'valley'. as that valley builds up, it becomes a mountain and becomes more subject to odors traveling. THAT and the fact that the area between you and the landfill was cleared of all the trees (ie-the natural barrier) to make way for the composting is why you now smell the landfill. Who do you think takes all the dead road kill animals from the county? who do you think takes the animals from the shelter that are killed? Who takes the trash from over 5,000 residents, business, etc? do you really think that the TARP that is put over the landfill open face is sufficient to hold in all the odors from a landfill??? And what do they cover it with on the weekend? - ground yard waste. They don't encase it in concrete and neither of those is going to hold in the odors that are inherent in trash rotting in a landfill. You take those odors (and yes, Virginia, there are odors), mix them with the compost smell, and you mix it with the Jordan smell(when it was there) and you mix it with the Mill (which also has a smell from time to time) and you get something pretty ugly sometimes. Hell, sometimes I smell oil from the junkyard. I work in the area, but don't live there, and am not defending Lesko or Greenco - but you have to be honest here and stop saying that they are the only ones creating a problem from the Industrial Park.
Bb you're wrong. The garbage is tarped daily and completely covered with dirt on Saturday,not ground yard waste.that would be a fire hazard. So if you're going to bash the landfill know how it operates.
I find it very interesting that everyone, including commissioners, is jumping on the "lab material" thing as if it's absolutely dangerous. Not everything in a lab is dangerous. Some is VERY dangerous some mildly, and some is just, well, trash. NOBODY has said ANYthing about what is in there or the likelihood of it carrying pathogens. FYI, labs that hold living matter (plants, animals, fungi) are classified according to how dangerous the materials are. BL-1 is akin to your household pet's weast. BL-4 is the really dangerous stuff. Is this stuff 1, or 2 or 3 or 4?
Using the term "lab waste" without any sort of details is nothing but hyperbole and is misleading, whether intended to be such or not.
What has taken place on this planned closing? Evidently they are still in operation, based on the odor on Saturday evening. They must have turned the piles? Are they being closed or extended?
Well i drove passed Greenco sunday and the pile is huge, far bigger than it has ever been...i hope they will be taken the piles of semi rotten compost with them
Greenco run like hell. Lamar county old timers are devils. This town sucks.............Right or wrong people deserve respect and lamar county doesnt know what respect is.
Greenco must be up and running, the odor is strong. Apparently the threat of being shut down was just that, an empty threat. When are we to get the relief from thier stench that was ruled on over a year ago?
We drove past there on Sunday and it looked like they were still operating,(trucks being driven around and dumping compost)I thought they had to cease operating. I know it's going to take a while to move but there is more compost at that site now than there has been in the past year, yes we agree that Tim Lesko created his predicament and he has no one to blame but himself, but he is refusing to play fair. He needs to be gone now
Nan nana boo boo at least some one has a heart and not put Greenco's employees out of a job right here at Christmas. So all you cry babies have to deal with it a little bit longer.
Tim Lesko created his predicament and he has no one to blame but himself.
Not to mention the compost facility broke their agreement to control smells. Really sorry he was "new" to the business so did not know how to operate the facility properly--maybe he should have known what he was doing before starting a business that so clearly negatively affects others.
So not only has Greenco shown they are incompetent, with the lab animals they have shown they are deliberately putting people at risk (maybe for a few extra bucks or maybe in retailiation for being kicked out of the county for failure to live up to an agreement they entered into). So is Greenco incompetent or just vindictive?
If the employees lose their jobs, they only have Greenco to blame. The County was willing to give the Leskos an extension to get all of their permitting done in DeKalb County, provided that they abided by the stipulations placed on that extension. Apparently, Tim Lesko refuses to abide by any of them. Why should the County work with him, knowing how much he has lied in the past, when he refuses to work with the County. Why should the County work with someone who does not even abide by the regulations in his EPD permit, regulations that did not allow lab bedding and dead lab animals to be dumped at the site. The Leskos are the ones at fault here... not the County, not the people who live in the community and certainly not the landfill... because as has been stated here by many people before and I will add here now - THERE ARE NO ODORS EMANATING INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OR THE SURROUNDING AREA FROM THE LANDFILL.
The people in this community deserve to breath fresh air. We have put up with the disgusting odors coming from Greenco for almost 3 years. However, we were willing to put up with it a little longer so that Greenco could go through the process of getting approved by DeKalb County and then getting their EPD permits, but not without some stipulations put into place to guarantee that Tim was actually going through the process. By refusing to abide by those stipulations, Tim had made his bed, now he has to sleep in it ... it's just too bad that his bed is not in the middle of his fly infested business site.
This is done successfully elsewhere... but it takes a lot of manpower and effort, as well as experience, which neither he, nor his "experts" had.
Also, Greenco is not a large company. What were the stipulations placed on the conditions for the extension? Why was the appeal never brought to the judge? And will the county buy the land back from the Leskos? It seems reasonable, considering they are being forced out, but then the county loses that tax income.
With the recent closing of Jordan lumber, the job situation in Barnesville, among the worst in the state, has gone from severe to critical. I fear people will have to relocate to find jobs. Does the county have a plan in place to bring in jobs?
I don't wish to offend anyone, I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
# 4.1.2..I am sorry, but we do know what we are talking about. You just have to Google Greenco + Emory + Lab Animnals and you will find the info about Emory's agreement with Greenco. It is true that Emory does have a major sustainability program and they should have done further research before they entered into the agreement with Greenco to take the lab animals and bedding and they would have known that it is not allowed by the EPD. While they stated in the information online about their agreement that they would not be sending contaminated animals or bedding, we all know that mistakes do happen. Then it is too late. Would you like to get compost that might be contaminated with biohazards? Not to mention that if contaminated material is dumped onto the site, it can leach into the water table as the site is not lined and can get into the uncontrolled runoff during rainstorms since the windrows are not covered.
What you all seem to be forgetting here, is this is not some backyard composting bin, but a large commercial sitwe that also has a terrific problem with flies. The County was promised that there would be no odor problems. They were told in the beginning that the material being brought in was the vegetable waste from the lettuce packing plant in Butts county. However, Greenco then entered into contracts to haul waste including meat, dairy and seafood from Emory's food service and other restaurants in the Atlanta area. If you do any research, you will find that you cannot compost meat and dairy, much less seafood, without a horrendous odor problems. And you certainly cannot throw dead animals into the mix without odor, even if they are not contaminated. Tim has a three year history of lying and not following through with promises. Is the County supposed to just take him at his word that he will do what he says he is going to do now.
But once again, Tim Lesko has no one to blame but himself for the situation he is in now. It is very unfortunate that his employees will have to suffer because of his arrogance.
Over the last 2 years Lamar county has asked for Greenco to do so much for them to make the area nicer and greenco obliged then every time. If you actually understand what the county did then you would know that Lamar county broke promise after promise and continually lied to the Leskos and its own residents. Educate yourselves before you speak people, maybe then we won't have employers running for the hills! TRUTH!!
The people of this community have had to put up with disgusting odors and fly infestations coming from the site for almost 3 years because either Greenco does not want to do what it takes to control the odors or as has been stated before, there is no way to control the odors due to what is being composted. In fact the odor was so bad this morning that I had to hold a cloth over my nose just to get to my car or I would have thrown up. We are tired of mornings, days ,evenings and weekends like this, but we still agreed to the extension to the court order so that Greenco could move to Dekalb County instead of shutting them down on November 11. That is provided that Greenco abided by the stipulations that the judge authorized the County to draw up. Without those stipulations in place, there would be no guarantee that Greenco would abide by the timeline put in place. Tim has shown a contempt for the Commissioners and the Citizens of this County in all dealings in the past, so why should we believe that he would be different now. Tim entered an agreement with the County in the fall of 2010, that Greenco would relocate. Tim told the judge that he would be able to complete the relocation in 6 months. However, the judge realized that there was no way that Tim would be able to accomplish that and the order was drawn up allowing him 1 year. Well, lo and behold, one month out from the deadline of 11/11/11, Tim had not found a definite site to relocate to. We find out that he is in negotiations with LaFarge to move to a site in DeKalb County, but there are no signed agreements with LaFarge and they have not been approved by DeKalb County. And yet, even after putting up with all the cr*p ( no pun intended) that we have had to put up with, the citizens agreed to give Greenco the extension so that they would have time to follow through with everything that needed to be done in order to relocate. But, because of past dealings with Tim, and suggested by the judge, Greenco must abide by the stipulations drawn up by the County. Stipulations that are not unreasonable. Tim, however, in his arrogant defiance, refused to agree to the stipulations. Even with all of this, the County still left it open that they would extend the ruling provided that Tim abides by the stipulations .... so the ball is in Tim's court now. He has been given every chance. If Greenco is indeed shut down on 11/11/11, there is no one to blame but Greenco. I hope for the employees' sakes that Tim does what it takes to facilitate the move to DeKalb County.
As far as your other comment, first off, you are not dealing with the EPA but the EPD...
2nd.. I have spoken with the EPD and Greenco was NOT allowed to take any dead animals of any kind and no bedding other than straw from farming operations and they were reminded of that when the EPD came to inspect the site after they were informed of the agreement with Emory. Emory's own website states that they were sending dead lab animals with the exception of canines and primates. That means that they could be sending hoofed animals as well as all others. They may or may not have taken "only" pigs, but regardless of what type of animals were taken to the site, it remains that Greenco was not permitted to take any dead animal or lab bedding.
Once again Taylor, we have educated ourselves. We do not have a problem with any other industry that is located in the park and we welcome new businesses that want to be good neighbors and not create a nuisance.
Right. So all the crying about the debarker noise from Rayonier wasn't you? All the harassment Billy Kitchens constantly gives the railroad about their noise around the industril park at night-you weren't in on that either?
Sorry, but I still fail to see how the Jordan operation was allowed to expel a burning bark smell from their operation and Greenco wasn't. What part of equal protection under the law do you people fail to understand?
Meanwhile construction of another large industrial operation continues in the real industrial park in Griffin.
The contrast in policies of the respective counties is striking. One is doing well replacing it's textile based economy, the other continues to circle the toilet bowl. Care to guess which is which?
But that's OK, just vote yet on the next SPLOST.
Using the term "lab waste" without any sort of details is nothing but hyperbole and is misleading, whether intended to be such or not.