Sheriff probing allegations of inappropriate text messaging

Sheriff probing allegations of inappropriate text messaging

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Investigators from the Lamar County sheriff’s office are looking into allegations of misconduct by an unidentified youth minister at Fellowship Restoration Church and the church school, Liberty Christian Academy.

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#1 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 08:25 AM

I personally feel sorry for anyone who gets sucked into the Dictatorship of this church. I once went there for a while and it is being ran like a cult. Marrying kids off at 16, and encouraging members to only talk to people in the church, and these people really believe that they are perfect. There was only one perfect man and he is not on this earth anymore. JESUS!!!! I am sending all my prayers up for the families having to go through this.

#2 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 09:35 AM

I have never heard anything good about these people at this church. I personally know people that have had dealings with this pastor and his staff and they are such judgemental people. They have no problem telling people they will go to hell. In case they forgot, they need to know they are NOT GOD and they DO NOT judge.

#3 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 09:52 AM

where is this church?

#4 M.S. on 02/17/10 at 10:03 AM

The corner of Fellowship Drive (Industrial Dr.) and Old Milner Rd.

#5 anon on 02/17/10 at 10:08 AM

I only know 1 family from this church. I have known them for many years. They are some of the nicest, non-judgemental, Christian folks I know.

#6 Sonja on 02/17/10 at 10:53 AM

I personally feel that everyone needs to stop pointing fingers at each other and see the BIG picture here. If these allegations are true, as a community, you all knowing Christ can be a support and love to the families involved in this tragedy. I have experienced first hand what this can do to a ministers family and a staff. Even if the unrigteousness stems from the "leadership". Do not assume that you can judge what is going on by just looking at the appearences of a situation. You all are right, we need less judging in the world and more Christ like behavior. He died to give us all abundant life and a choice to live according to His plan or ours. I am praying for this church, from the head down, as well as your community!

#7 Ripped-off by the Christian School on 02/17/10 at 12:21 PM

Oh my god. This does not surprise me. Unfortuately, my daughter attended this school for one year only because the tuition was cheaper than the school she had attended her entire life and due to a job lost I felt that this would be the best decision vs. enrollment in public school. Having been exposed to her previous educational institution I was well versed on how private christians schools are typically ran. I was greatly disturbed by the way the school conducted financial business as well as overall educational practices. First, I discovered their were children who were not paying due to arrangements with the school for their parent to clean the church/school. However, my daughter was expected to take out the trash, wash windows, sweep the floor, prepare lunch meals for the younger children and when I inquired about this the staff explained to me this was to build character. That is not why she was attending private school she was in the 6th grade and I was paying for her to get an education. So keep in mind other children went their for FREE because their parent was cleaning the building yet I only saw my daughter and other children cleaning the building. Which I did inform the staff my daughter would no longer be expected to do. My next complaint was that every other month it appeared they were raffling off baskets to raise money for the school. They would have organizations donate gift cards or items so they could in turn raffle it for revenue for the school. Okay, it would make since to me if you need money make all the children pay. If they can't pay they don't go. The tuition then was 260 per month there was at least 4 families with multiple children attending this school not paying. So this is why they needed to raise money. The same children who went there for FREE would stand in front of Ingles and raise money for the raffle. Guess what, they would sell the most and win the prize and never had paid one cent to the school. What they raised would not even be enough to pay one months tuition yet those children are the ones who were taken to six flags and so on. While I struggled to pay her tuition even though I was unemployed others got the same thing for free. Now, realize I only discovered this information about the money in March and school was almost over. I was one of the few paying and was also stupid enough to have harassed my family and friends for donations or to purchase raffle tickets. I was under the impression this was to get equipment for the school which if you drive by they have yet to get and this was two years ago. I even had to complain about the grass being unkept and feared my daughter would be snake bitten. I was so disgusted with the entire situation when I paid one month I asked for her books so I would be able to home school her they refused. They said they owned the books even though I purchased the books for 300 at the beginning of the year. Guess what they said I was renting them. How funny when she had books she wrote in. Anyway, with only a few months left of school she finished out the year and she has since gone back to her previous school. People be ware when donating money to charity. I feel I was scammed out of 3000 because the teachers have no more education than I do which this was misrepresented upon her enrollment. Also, the secretary (the principal's wife big SURPRISE) at the time had two small children who ran around the school screaming and yelling and a student once walking in while she was breast feeding her child. This is a school. Not your home. Because most of the people who run this school are related it is no more than an overside daycare for them to allow there children to run loose and unfortunatly I was paying for this. I was so livid upon her last days of school there I wanted to make a comment in the paper then. But something told me to wait and I am glad I did. I pray for any student who has been exposed to this school. GET OUT!!!!! Private school is a choice and a personal conviction and desire no one forces you to do it. So if you are lead to send your child to a private christian school this is NOT THE ONE TRUST ME. I am sure these people may have a relationship with God and I don't take away from that. However, providing an environment which is conducive to education and success for the future is not their calling. My complaints or concerns are not only about the financial inabilities of the school but of the unethical motivations by the school. I am also aware of the 16 child who was married in the summer after my child left. The school needs to be investigated by the state or board of christian schools. I am glad I am not the only person who can see there is a problem other than radical religion going on. I am glad this school had been exposed. God help the child or children who are involved I am grately my daughter has been long gone from this fake christian school.

#8 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 12:36 PM

This never ceases to amaze me.

Kids get molested in the church, then Jesus with swoop down and get into their hearts! I thought he lived in that place, right? Stop being retarded.

#9 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 12:43 PM

I am so sorry you faced this with this so-called school they have. Like I said in the first post I went there years ago and I am so thankful that I decided not to put my children in this school. I just pray that these families will see what mine did a long time ago and like you said GET OUT!! It's so scary to put our trust in someone with our children and to then have it ripped away like this. I usually don't post on here, but having first hand experience knowing everyone there I felt the need to. We definitely need to uplift everyone involved in any way in the church or school in prayer. I am in no position to judge anyone and I will not do that, but I do know this....God will handle the wicked and take care of his children.

#10 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 12:46 PM

Yes there are some very nice people that go there, but there are some that think they are perfect and in a position to judge everyone else as well. All we can do is pray for the church and school as a whole.

#11 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 12:50 PM

I agree. I have also never heard or seen anything good either. I know first hand what you mean when you say they are quick to tell you that you are going to hell. Only God himself can decide that based on a personal relationship with him. Who are they or anyone else to tell someone they are going to hell? That is not the right way to win a soul for Christ. That only scares people away.

#12 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 01:17 PM

More will come out of this. I think there is more to the story than just text messaging. Watch and see. Ive talked to too many people that know stuff.

#13 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 01:38 PM

I agree. It will all come out in the wash.

#14 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 01:48 PM

I've felt for along time that the so-called school was a JOKE!! Come on, I know several of the kids that are 1st and 2nd graders that can't even write their names, they are teaching themselves what they do learn, if you want to call it that! Why don't they have to be investigated by the state, and made to keep up with certain regulations regarding education? They should shut it down once and for all!!

#15 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 01:56 PM

You can't expect much better if the teachers aren't certified. I for one want my children to be taught by someone who is qualified.

#16 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 02:20 PM

I know nothing about the school, but have heard a lot of bad things about the church. As someone here already said, they are like a cult. My husband attended this church and said they didn't want people to associate with anyone other than them, they had 'parties' for everyone to burn CD's, music, ect that THEY didn't agree with.

#17 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 02:48 PM

whats the difference in this church and all others including the mighty rock sprung?they have just as many scandles there they just hush them up faster.you have this little group that doesn't associate with that group that does'nt associate with "those people" and on and on.geta grip folks church is for people that cant handle life an need someone to tell them how to go thru everyday life.all churches brainwash people.how else are they going to stay in business?

#18 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 04:04 PM

While it is true that this school is no longer what it should be, until recently it was a really good Christian school. I don't really understand all of what #6 is talking about, but I do know for a fact that a lot of her information is just simply not true. For instance, when my children went there the teachers were qualified and very capable. The school was fully accredited with the Georgia Accrediting Commission. The only students that seemed to be having trouble reading and writing were ones who transferred from other schools and the school offered a free after school tutoring program to help them. I know the secretary that she is talking about and she is not the type of gal that would do things like breast feed her child in public, much less in a school full of children! It sounds like some bad things are going on over there right now, and as usual, people are taking this opportunity to rant and rave about issues that they should have dealt with a long time ago. People, if you are going to behave in this childish manner at least have your facts straight. There are some good people who I know personally that have come out of this church and school. #6 you should take this opportunity to pray for the child and the other people involved in this mess, instead of taking this opportunity to hurl insults about past issues. It is my experience that people who behave like this usually have skeletons in their own closets. Just a thought.

#19 anonymous on 02/17/10 at 04:37 PM

I don't know what your talking about #9. I had a child in this class and her reading and writing skills are great. I doubt that your child was ever even enrolled at this school and you probably don't know any students associated with this school either. In response to #9.1, state certification doesn't mean squat, the current condition of our public school system should tell you that. It is the curriculum that is used, the proper training that enables the teacher to correctly teach that curriculum, and the willingness of the teacher to stick to that curriculum rather than making up their own that makes the difference in education. If you want state certified teachers and you don't feel like the current christian curriculum is adequate then you should leave your children in the public school system. Good luck with that.

#20 Anon on 02/17/10 at 04:37 PM

Yes I believe there are bad people in every church just as there is in any aspect of life. I am a member of the mighty Rock Springs as you call it and there are many wonderful people there and they are doing mighty works for the Lord. Don't jump at assumptions if you don't know what you are talking about or if you have never been there.

#21 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 05:02 PM

Ive always wondered about what people talk about concearning wrong doings at Rock springs and their finances and other things. Ive never heard specifics nor am i member of the church. Im just curious. You mind sharing some info?

#22 anon on 02/17/10 at 05:10 PM

If all these people know what is going on why are all of you just talking about it. Why don't every one of you call the State Government and complain. That is the only way to settle it. Truth known how much proof do each of you have. You are judging them with out proof if you don't call the government now/

#23 Ripped off on 02/17/10 at 05:28 PM

Just a little FYI my daughter went there for an entire year. I personally walked into the office and the secretary was changing a crappy diaper in the school office. Making the entire school smell like s___. Maybe your accustom to this type of behavior in a private school but I can assure you I have not or will not deal with that at my daughters current school. This school is not licensed as a daycare and since you know so much then why were their 1&2 year old children in the class with the k-5 children? BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING FREE BABYSITTING SERVICES....... When any of the unqualified teachers at the school was out this same secretary who could barely spell was left in charge of the classes. Obviously, you belong to the same twisted religious movement in which they find themselves involved. I did address my issues with them but just as a jackass can't deny he is a jackass neither could these unqualified idiots deny my complaints. They were valid yet ignored. Trust me if any of these issues are proven to be true you'll be the one looking like an ass. The state needs to be involved and do a thorough investigation of this Christian Organization which calls itself a school. I am on my soap box because I did complain and nothing was done and I was one of the very few who was paying and felt raped and robbed of my money. I would be very cautious when referring to the school as a christian school. This needs to be addressed immediately hopeful there are no other children involved in this UNGODLY ACT. If you don't like the truth then don't read my comments because I have nothing to gain or lose. I was smart enough to change my daughters school and not allow her to continue to suffer academically at the hands of these idiots.

#24 Ripped off on 02/17/10 at 05:35 PM

Thanks! It is good to see that I am not alone in my dealings with this school. I can't say anything about the church I only visited a few times so it would not be fair for me to comment but I know without a doubt how I was treated and what my daughter endured at the school. They really need to rethink the school situation perhaps they should continue singing the gospel and beating the bible.

#25 Ripped off on 02/17/10 at 05:38 PM

Are you sure your not one of those unqualified teacher's out there would I was over paying?
I would like a refund. I will expect a check in the mail. Thanks!!!!!! Have a blessed day!!

#26 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 05:52 PM

Well the curriculum don't mean squat either if the teachers are not qualified to handle children. I agree that a christian curriculum is awesome. What I was saying is that in reference to the allegations here it seems as though the qualifications on dealing with children are far from what they should be. I only speak this because I know most of these people personally. It takes a special kind of person to handle a classroom full of kids. School whether private, public or whatever is alot more than just curriculum. It's also about life skills and teaching kids to make ethical decisions in life as well. Preparing them for the workforce. Those skills don't come from curriculum.

#27 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 05:56 PM

Who ever you are you are so STUPID and SELFISH
only can talk about your so called problem. you were probly one of those trouble makers always got to stir up something. Lets get to the real Issue INAPPROPRIATE TEXT MESSAGING TO A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL.

#28 Annoymous on 02/17/10 at 06:11 PM

It was a awesome school with great potential,but when the Principal and his Wife left it went to the DOGS. They did a great Job spent many hours there working. Sorry there hard work got CRAPPED on.

#29 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 06:38 PM

If she's not the type of gal who would feed her hungry baby, she's probably not so great. I'm not disputing that it's not a great plan to bring your child to work with you, but FEEDING a hungry baby is hardly something that qualifies to make anyone a bad person. If you feed your baby a bottle in public, I can feed my baby from my breast in public. It is not crude or nasty, it's a gift from GOD to nourish a baby.

#30 Ripped off on 02/17/10 at 06:55 PM

I am totally reflecting on my personal experience and how I am not surprised at the accusations swirling around this school. Are you one of the parents who's kids attended for free? Probably. My statements are of my own experience with this organization which I am sure are not isolated only to myself. You appear to be personally offended. Why so? There is still a public school your children can attend. Don't hate the truth seek the truth!! If these accusations are true may the people involved be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law!!!! I am not judging these people on their personal convinctions I am judging them based on my personal experience and I am grateful I saw the light and removed her before this horrible event took place. I truly am sorry for the child who fell victim to this situation. Don't pass judgement about my opinion I have over paid for mine. Thanks!!!! Remember to pray for me and my children so my stupidity won't be passed along to them. Good God help us all.
I have simply brought to light other issues which could have lead up to this actions.

#31 anon on 02/17/10 at 07:12 PM

Well said it is a JOKE. Daycare at the zoo would have been just as educational. Say no to STOOPID. Did I spell that correct???? Let me get one of the teachers from the school to use spell check oh wait I think the computers were so old they didn't have spell check and I know the teachers wouldn't have a clue on how to spell

#32 anon on 02/17/10 at 07:20 PM

I believe somewhere in the Bible it refers to a persons sin which is done in the dark will be brought to light. This is their light. Maybe things like what you experienced and the child above experienced have been exposed and a swift judgement of action can take place. Sorry for you both especially the children involved.

#33 #nothing without love on 02/17/10 at 07:41 PM

Some things just need to be said not out of malice or spite but truth with love that those who hear will repent and move forward in love .. Maybe we should all write the leader a letter about inapropiate actions. the so called leader BISHOP PASTOR YOUR HONOR your highness have been allowed to have "leadership" sending letters to members that didnt like the leaders commands demanding of the flock repentance or step down or get out.. judged harshly.. repremended not with words of love but authority. judgement. not kindness but crulty. Do you suppose the same should be required of the leader doing the demanding ..Oh my Goodness what a mess.. It is time that this place called Fellowship really becomes the place of worship that it was built and intended to be.. by sincere people that were judged and sent ugly letters and made to feel as though they were of no use to the "fellowship" young people that loved God were treated unkind and unimportant..people that were sincere about fellowship with God but because of selfish exalted pride were rejected not by God but by so called self appointed "LEADERS" I just hope that a good long look at the damage that has been done over the years to many good and innocent people..some that are already in heaven went to their graves feeling sad over the lack of love, feeling put down and hurt.. oh well what can we say..Humility that might be a great solution Above all first to God and then to man..God has the final say not you not me..Maybe a good ole sincere footwashing might be in order...although some still like tar and feathers, God resist the proud BUT gives grace to the humble..I choose to forgive these unjust actions that have been done against good people that have been deprived of goodness that you just expect of those in autority God forgives too if asked..Please ask Lets all repent with sincere hearts for Jesus is truly coming soon and love will cover a multitude of sin...

#34 Annoymous on 02/17/10 at 07:52 PM

Those things that are done in DARKNESS God will bring it to light. Be sure your SINS will FIND you OUT. God is going to hold somebody accountable... Somebody is in trouble. I would not want to be in your SHOES.

#35 anon on 02/17/10 at 07:55 PM

how many people would have a problem with paying a person at a drive thru window or at a cash register at ingles while they breast feed their baby. I believe the point is that this is a public place which is providing a service my god use a breast pump and bottle. Nobody is saying not to feed her baby but be a little classy this is a school not your home or personal office.

#36 anonymous on 02/17/10 at 08:31 PM

Rock Springs is a great church and are leading people to the Lord! I know there are other churches in the area who are jealous of the growth and the fact that Benny Tate is a mighty man of God. I am not sure how they even got drug into this because Benny Tate, nor anyone on his staff has ever done anything such as this to a child. The members of Rock Springs have worked hard for our church and what we have but give God all the glory and that is why the church continues to prosper! If this is true, no matter what is posted, God will deal with him!

#37 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 10:32 PM

#6, Personally I would never take advice about which christian school I should or shouldn't send my child to from someone who begins their blog by taking the Lord's name in vain, and then proceeds to use foul language and spew vile insults in subsequent blogs. What a poor example you are for your child! I know this secretary personally (and no, I am not a teacher or a part of that school's staff)and I know for a fact that she worked as secretary free of charge. She is a very smart and capable young lady who did a good job at that school. You are not telling the truth in your blogs, shame on you. You seem to be a trouble maker who is taking an opportunity to cry over spilled milk. I'm sure if we took a look at your life and proceeded to blog insults about you that we would have a lot of material to work with. Grow up and find a new hobby. P.S. FYI nothing you said in any of your blogs would in any way "bring issues to light which could have lead up to (the) actions" that are being alleged now.

#38 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 11:04 PM

Yes, #9.2.1 I would agree that if the curriculum is taught by teachers who are not qualified that it is ineffective. However, I disagree with the idea that being state certified makes a teacher qualified to teach or to handle a classroom full of children. Again, the current condition of our public school system should tell you that. There have been plenty of instances involving public school teachers (who were certified to teach) who were involved in the same type of actions that are being alleged at this christian school. I know that their is more to a school than just it's curriculum (socially speaking). However, when it comes to education, I disagree with the notion that "life skills", "making ethical decisions", and "preparing them for the work force" can't be taught through a curriculum. That is what christian education is all about! I don't know about the teachers on staff at that school now, but I do know that when my child went there they did a great job.

#39 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 11:45 PM

Sonja my Bible says that is elders of a Church are doing evil, they are to be called out and cast out. That is NOT called judging!

#40 Anonymous on 02/17/10 at 11:58 PM

And it's about time, let's hope that Sheriff Waller does a VERY thorough investigation.....if he does, he may be a wee bit surprised at what is discovered.

#41 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 03:04 AM

Im waiting on some of the members of the Church to voice their opinions on this matter. I know you all read this. I know specific names to call you out too. What is your take on this?

#42 Ripped off on 02/18/10 at 07:44 AM

I could care less whether you would personally value my experience with these idiots. What retard would base their childs educational future from an opinion blog. YOU? This is a forum for issues and information and opinions. Don't take it so personal unless your involved with the school. I commented earlier I only visited the church a few times and had no true complaints with it however, I did send her to this school and EXPERIENCED a totally unprofessional environment. while your casting stones at my relationship with God lets really look at the big picture. Someone in a christian school in our little community has been accused of texting inappropriate messages to a 14 yr old and possibly even molestation. I would suspect my daughter might be okay with me using OMG verses her being emotional and physically violated by a staff member of her school. Obviously, you had no professional dealings with the secretary there you have no idea what it was like dealing with these people. And to say she worked for free is not true how do you think her and her family was able to ALL be at the school every day? Because the very few who paid them were providing a roof for their children to run all over during school hours. But thank GOD she no longer goes there. Sorry, to offend you good christian by using his name again. The school which she has always attended except for this year in particular has never had to meet with me regarding anything EVER. Really never. What little need I have to talk with her school is done through the mail or by my daughter. This never would have worked there. So honey it AIN'T me it is definetly them. If you are not one who sent your child there count it as a blessing. Or if you like I am sure they have openings. What is so sad are my experiences while bad is nothing compared to what this child may have experienced. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE HERE THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED IF IT IS TRUE THEY BROUGHT THIS ON THEMSELVES. And the child should be commended for coming forward and bringing to light the problem. Some of my very complaints were they did not hire qualified people so they are probably not doing a background check on the people they hire. Let me clear this up a background check doesn't prevent this but at least it gives you a personal satisfaction that as an organization and a shepard of the children you covered your legal and ethical bases. Remember, someone there is accused of a CRIME be concerned about the CHILD involved and what happens next with the school rather than my relationship with GOD. Opps there I go. SORRY!!!!

#43 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 08:00 AM

Actually the Bible says not to rebuke an elder......

#44 annonymous on 02/18/10 at 09:37 AM

I would not to hear from any of them... there all nuts.

#45 anon on 02/18/10 at 09:39 AM

Shame on u 15!! Churches shouldn't get jealous of one another. They are all working towards the same goal..to bring people to Christ Right? Why should someone be jealous that Benny Tate is a 'mighty man of God'?? Think you need to get of YOUR high horse. Rock Springs isn't any better than any other church and Benny Tate is just a man contrary to what some people apparently think..mighty or not

#46 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 10:14 AM

i went to this church as a teen on wednesday nights and the members of this church are truly crazy, and that church bus they had going around picking up kids on wednesday nights....i saw bad bad things happen on it.the adults did not monitor young couples at all and ill leave it at that.i am a mother now and i would never ever ever trust that church with my children

#47 anonymous on 02/18/10 at 11:48 AM

Apparently you don't know what I know. yes, when it involves "attendance" it involves $$$$$ and yes there is jealously in that - I responded to #11 comment. Once again, get your facts straight before you push shame on me. I am not on a high horse I am stating FACTS, I just don't like the fact that Rock Springs was brought into this nasty issue. And yes, all churches should have the same goal and if they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation on this post now would we????

#48 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 11:57 AM

Actually, the verse about rebuking elders is "Do not sharply rebuke an elder" and is in relation to seniors, not shepards. Shepards who are leading a flock astray are to be called out, admonished by the Church, and cast out if they refuse to lead correctly.

#49 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 12:08 PM

I wonder, did you ever think the reason they are telling people they are going to hell is because 1) lost people are and 2) as Christians, we are supposed to be warning lost people about hell?

#50 Ripped Off Too on 02/18/10 at 12:39 PM

Wow!
I too sent my daughter to this school. I was disappointed with the lack of structure. I was disappointed in the lack of education by the teachers. I was disappointed with the entire experience and thus removed my child.

I blame myself for not being persistent with my concerns. I knew going in what the school was like, but thought that the small classroom would be beneficial. I knew going in that the teacher didn't have her degree, but was told she was working on it. I didn't realize that meant that the desire and intention was there.

I too was concerned about the belief system in the church and school. Yes they had a book/CD burning. Yes, they told my daughter I was going to hell for having a tattoo. Yes, they raised money via raffels. Yes there were favoritism in the classes. Yes there was a very young married couple. I'm not judgemental, I just knew that my personal religous beliefs didn't match with that of the schools, nor did my personal expectations of what a school should provide.

So I removed her from that and made a more wise choice for her next school. I look at it as a learning experience and truly believe that everything happens for a reason. In my case, it allowed me to see what I didn't want and to choose what I did want.

I don't believe that the school is fostering molestors. They are genuinely good people with different beliefs than mine. The probablity of the situation is that there was a lack of proper background information on workers there. A typical failure in these type of situations.

#51 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 01:13 PM

Apparently, you think that $$$$$ is a priority and main motivating ingredient to achieving high church attendance. Why do you think it takes large amount of $$$$$ to have a successful church? I thought it took born again christains willing to adhere to the word of God, and all working together in the interest of seeing souls saved.

#52 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 01:19 PM

Rocks Springs is a bit like a cult, where many members have lost sight of the fact that they are there to worship and follow the word of God, instead many there worship the GREAT Benny Tate. He is an actor playing a part--he can cry (my father was an alcoholic, Barbara was sick, and we were unable to have children), he can laugh at whatever lame joke he tells, he can be angered by sin, and this is all in one sermon. The church or cult that is Rock Springs would fall apart if Benny Tate found bigger dollar signs somewhere else or to put it in the tems he would likely use "felt led by God" to another church because he is the glue that binds that church, NOT God as it should be. He is an egotistical man and a far cry from the humble man of God he claims to be.

#53 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 01:21 PM

Speaking as one with children going to this school, I am concerned about accusations of molestation and inappropriate text messaging. However, this is something to be properly investigated and then, when the results are determined, the appropriate action taken.

I wonder, if those that are more than ready to viciously attack this school and church will be just as ready to apologize if the reports come back as unfounded? It is easy to rail and accuse (read how they treated Jesus), but people will be silent if/when the time comes to recant.

Before coming to LCA, my children were both in a very well established and expensive Metro Atlanta private Christian school. One of those supposedly highly desired for their children. My experience was less than wonderful. One of my children, because they are not the vanilla, calm type, were sidelined and made to sit away from their peers without our consent and without even discussing it with our child. But, my point in saying that is this: since my children came to LCA they have bloomed. They read and write well beyond their grade. Their teachers genuinely care about them and I believe I have a say in what happens there.

Has everything been perfect? No. I have not liked every decision this school has made and I think it has gone through some rough times in the past several months. Do they sometimes make mistakes? Of course they do. That is called being human.

I am surprised that people expect flawless perfection from a school and yet make excuses for the examples they are to their own children. The humans at school can't be human, but the parents can curse, rail, insult, demean, etc and tell others to back off for pointing out the inconsistency.

I know the former administrator and his wife (the secretary). Were they always perfect? No. But, I can say that they always cared first and foremost about the students at the school. They gave of themselves while trying to raise their own children and invested themselves in the raising and education of other people's children.

The teachers there now still have the same requirement to educate the children. I can't believe someone would complain that the school wants to help build character in the children of that school, but I guess that is the age we live in. Regardless, the children are regularly tested by the state in order for the school to keep their accreditation. I personally have never met a child there that was not educated to the level they should be. So, to say they are not educating the students is a patently false statement and obviously meant solely to illicit a gut reaction by people against the school.

To say that school should not run fund raisers or have a parent pay for school supplies is similarly designed only get people on someone’s side against the school. The alternative would be to not run the fund raisers or ask the parent to pay for school supplies and raise the tuition cost. Of course, then the same people would complain about the tuition cost of the school being too high.

What about the church itself? I don't know. I don't go there. Do they have problems? Probably. I have never been at a church of any doctrine or denomination that does not. Churches are made up of humans and humans are flawed. But to go beyond that and point at this particular congregation and point out every evil they may or may not have done like they are the only ones is ridiculous to me. I am not a member of that church and don't believe their same doctrine, but I am not about make a general indictment of that whole body of believers just because of personal differences.

Finally, and rail against me if you need to, but there is not a lot of Jesus in people's comments here about this church, the school or the people involved. They insist that church not judge and yet feel free to judge the church, its motives, its leadership, etc. It is amazing to me. Where is the prayer for this school and the teachers/administrators? Where is the prayer for this church and its leadership? It is easy to sit back and point out how wrong they are (based only on biased, personal experience), but a whole different thing to own a part of it and take it to the Lord. This is one of those "What Would Jesus Do" moments and I hardly think He would handle this in the way some have here.

Pray for the school. Pray for the church. Pray for the leadership.

#54 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 01:22 PM

How right you are. This church is all about who you are, who you know, and how much money you have.

#55 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 02:12 PM

Amen to that. Anyone that tries to sell their book at a funeral is not humble my any means. $$$$$$$$$$$$

#56 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 02:31 PM

18.1 what perfect church are you a member of i want to be there to worship with you sunday

#57 M.S. on 02/18/10 at 02:42 PM

Yeah right. Rock Springs is loaded with hypocrites.

#58 Anon on 02/18/10 at 03:34 PM

Warning someone about Hell is one thing, but telling someone they are going to hell is another. I know some people that are saved and were told they were going to hell just for not coming to Sunday school. What kind of Christian is that?

#59 Angry on 02/18/10 at 03:49 PM

How dare you speak of Rock Springs or Dr. Benny Tate is such a manner. He is the most humble man I have ever met. Yes we have a big church and many ministries therein. But it is all to the Glory of God as it should be. Pastor Benny is not the only glue that binds us either. The same shared loved for Christ and helping people is the glue as well. So dont bask him if you don't know him or what our church is about. This is not what this blod is about anyway. Its about the allegations that a grown man molested a 14 year old girl. That's what we should be worried about.

#60 annoymous on 02/18/10 at 04:02 PM

Good words you said, I know this young lady too and she is a wonderful person very smart. Did a great job while she was there, was very dedicated.

#61 Sonja on 02/18/10 at 04:44 PM

#19, I agree with you about the perfect church. Let me say this; I am not even a part of your community nor do I live in your State. Every church has it's problems and it is unfortunate that there are dishonest people who attend them as well as lead in them at times. That is EVERY church. As #20 said to you where is this perfect church that you are a member of, I want to worship with you Sunday. I know you weren't calling your church perfect, you simply called this back to order. It is about hurting people and they ALL need prayer. The reason I don't personally look for a "Perfect" church to attend is the minute I walk in, it will no longer be perfect because I am there and I have faults.
There is a story in John 8 about an aultress woman, the Pharisee's brought her to Jesus and inquired about the law of stoning her. Jesus said something profound in vs 7. "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." The very last thing that is told in that story is this, when all of her accusers left because of Christ statement, He asked this woman where they went? Then he dealt with her and told her, Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more. She still had a choice.

I believe the first time I made a comment on this page one of the people misunderstood me. I never said don't approach the Elders about a situation, in fact the Word tells us in Matthew 18:15-17 exactly how to handle a situation. 1. Go to them in private, 2. If they don't hear, take a witness or two with you, 3. If they still turn away, go to the church. 4. If they still refuse to hear and all others are in agreement, do not fellowhip with them any longer.

When we have facts about sin, it is our responsibility to go to that person in private first. I don't know the facts to this situation, I do know that what is happening here is only bringing about more wounds to some very innocent people. How do I know?

I was a ministers wife with two children. My husband left the ministry and walked away from our family, he was in a "Texting" emotional phone conversation relationship with another woman.(That was all that could be proved) We had been in the ministry for 20 years together and were very known in our community. We have two beautiful kids 16 and 20. Needless to say, when something happens like this the community begins to talk, some told facts and some added to the story never thinking about the damage they were doing to the innocent people affected by this already "Tragic" situation.
This minister has children, he has a wife, possibly grand children...they can't all be corrupt can they? Do each of you know them personally? Have you lived in their home?
Please stop...if the breastfeeding mother bothered you, go to her personally in private, maybe she didn't know you were offended but does that make her corrupt? Changing the babies diaper at the front desk may have been tacky at best but, did that constitute a public response?
Please remember these people have families with children and if you think kids don't repeat everything you say, think again. I am not over spiritualizing when I say....pray for them. Let CHRIST reveal His truth, HE IS LARGE AND IN CHARGE, He does not need our help! Thank you for listening.

#62 anonymous on 02/18/10 at 04:50 PM

I know many of the people connected to this school. No, I am not a member of this church. I am a Christian and I have to say that most of these replies on this blog do not sound like Christian people to me. If you are churched then you know that there is not now nor has there ever been a church that did not have all kind of problems. I wonder why all of you are ready to jump on this vindictive band wagon. Did you once ever consider where all of these, so far, unfounded accusations came from? I know there are a lot of people who have left this church for various reasons. Could maybe this be the source of some of these accusations? Some of the people who have left were in very high positions and were considered by the members of this church to be at one time Christian leaders. But, ask why they left. Those answers should be interesting if the truth is told. In the end maybe they have accomplished what they set out to do - completely take unfounded, unproven, gossipy tales and try to ruin the school and church from which they chose to leave. I ask that all involved in this "mess" to take more time in prayer for this school, the church, the pastor, his family, the children who love this school, and the teachers. This would certainly help everyone involved more than all these nasty blogs and unfounded accusations. I also found it strange that not one of these parents that removed their children from this school has spoken out against it until they jumped on this band wagon - wonder why that is?

#63 anon on 02/18/10 at 04:52 PM

If anyone has PROOF of wrong doings at any church PLEASE NOTIFY THE SHERIFFS OFFICE AND STAND UP AND BE COUNTED instead of hiding behind these E-MAILS

NO PROOF KEEP QUIET

#64 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 05:08 PM

So, it is OK to judge someone and say they are going to heaven, but NOT OK to judge them and saying they are going to hell?

#65 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 05:18 PM

Some have tried to speak out against some members of this Church, but who do you go to when no one will listen?

#66 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 05:31 PM

#22 I know the christian leaders who left that ministry and they are Godly men and women who had enough of God to know when the ministry had departed from God and the truth of His Word. I believe that as more details emerge that you will see that they were right. I certainly never heard them speak of anything like what is being alleged now. Logically speaking though, it wouldn't make sense for the police to investigate an allegation based upon " unfounded, unproven, gossipy tales" for almost two weeks if they didn't have at least some sort of credible evidence. The source of these accusations (just in case you didn't read the paper) are a 14 year old girl and her family.

#67 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 05:46 PM

Now I am amazed:

You knew everything about the school going in (which according to you was nothing but bad) and yet you still put your child in the school? If the school is as bad as you say, then I would say your judgment is pretty bad. If you know the school is what it is and you still send your child there, how in the world do you justify complaining?

And, I know now that you are completely spreading falsehoods. Claiming that the school had a book/CD burning and they told your child that you were going to hell because of a tattoo?!?! I cry foul and know you are just making stuff up.

My doctrinal beliefs don't match the school's either. This is something of which they are well aware. Yet, to this date, they have never said word one to my children about that and go out of their way to avoid indoctrinating my children with their denomination's beliefs.

Make some more wise choices and stop spreading false information. You were aware of all these things that offended you so badly, yet you left your child in there for a year. That speaks more about you and your parenting than any supposed problems at that school.

#68 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 05:50 PM

As Joyce Meyer so eloquently puts it, who made you Holy Ghost Junior? Judging is wrong, guiding is proper, and as Christians all we are supposed to do is love, guide, offer advice....but the damnation that goes on in many Churches today is wrong. People who play around acting like mini Gods tread on very dangerous ground.

#69 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 06:32 PM

Wow! You really expect everyone to believe that this is some kind of grand conspiracy thought up by former church leaders who left the church. Give me a break! If you believe this then you must have fallen off the turnip truck! I've heard some humdingers in my day, but this one tops the cake! If that were possible I'm sure that some of the many, many horrible, evil people (at least this is how they were portrayed) who have left that church would have tried it long ago. That church has had a revolving door on it for a long time, with a lot more going than coming. It's my understanding that the latest exits were the "bishop's" two sons and their families ( I may have this wrong as people leave their so frequently) who he disowned and has not spoken too since they left. That should tell you something about this Church when it's leader disowns his own family rather than forgiving and trying to mend broken relationships.

#70 Annoymous on 02/18/10 at 08:05 PM

Amen whoever you are. They don't believe in mending broken relationships they send Letters. Im just shocked the Bishop didn't send his son's letters or maybe he did?

#71 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 08:38 PM

That didn't really address the question, but I guess my question was more rhetorical anyway.

#72 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 08:39 PM

most, if not all, churches are loaded with hypocrites.

#73 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 09:03 PM

Be careful you may get your wish. Don't get cocky.
There is evidence in this case. The sheriff will
Just have to go after the right person.

#74 Anonymous on 02/18/10 at 09:15 PM

And English is obviously your second language.

#75 anonymous on 02/18/10 at 09:27 PM

Sounds like Benny Tate has put someone in their place before ha ha !!

#76 anonymous on 02/19/10 at 08:04 AM

don't worry...proof is forthcoming and the turht will be rought out...count on it!

#77 anonymous on 02/19/10 at 09:04 AM

I have noticed that every evening when I go home the "Bishop's" wife's car is parked at her son's house..and every morning when I leave it is still there...I have also heard that she is no longer attending this church....very strange indeed.....

#78 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 09:34 AM

It saddens me to see that this mess suddenly became "battle of the churches"!! This has became nothing more than a gossip match!! How did something that happened a one church, drag others in with it?

#79 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 10:09 AM

Yes very good point. Makes you wonder what is really going on.
If the bishops sons left the church and school months ago and his wife
Is no longer living with him or attending the church anymore it make me think
There is something very wrong here. I hope the sheriff investigates everything over there maybe the bishop not just the youth pastor

#80 Crime Dog on 02/19/10 at 11:21 AM

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#81 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 12:50 PM

I pray he is innocent! Despite the e-mails about what a horrible school this is, my child is thriving here. I can agree, though, with some of the things the others say. I have found the school to be disorganized. Plans are constantly changed at the last minute to please a select few. However, despite the obvious favoritism that exists there, I am constantly praying for the church and school and the people that are most affected by this situation. I know they mean well. They just aren't opened minded enough to see the bigger picture outside of their church and school. So,I just wonder even evidence does exist will the church refuse to believe it? I hope they do realize that although he is bishop he is still human and capable of sin. (I just hope the sin wasn't the molestation of a 14 year old!!) This wouldn't be the first time someone in a position of authority abused that power. I truly pray he is innocent. It would destroy this church and school. There are a lot of people who look up to him, and I pray he hasn't broken that trust. I also pray for his family right now. I know this has got to be difficult for them. I just think we should be praying for these people and not kicking them when they are already down.

#82 Heart Sick for a Child... on 02/19/10 at 12:52 PM

I hope the truth is brought out it would be sad to think that people can have Inappropriate relationships with 14 year old girls and get away with it. It's also sad how some people want to cover for others even when they are in the wrong. This 14 year old girl is in a bad situation pray that God would give her the strength to come forward and stand strong.

#83 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 03:44 PM

I don't get it, given the severity of these allegations,how do you as a parent allow your child to continue to go to school there and pray that it isn't true? If I had a child in that school and they were being investigated by the police for inappropriate texting,or anything else involving a child. At the very least, I would keep my child at home until the investigation was over. I certainty wouldn't keep my child in that environment and pray that everything was okay!

#84 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 04:12 PM

I agree. I think most of the members/staff mean well. They are just misinformed on certain aspects of the bible. That does not make them horrible people, just uneducated ones. It is all they know, so they can't be faulted for that. Like you said, just pray for this church. They truly need it right now.

#85 Annonymous on 02/19/10 at 04:31 PM

Don't understand what Rock Springs has to do with Inappropriate text messaging to a 14 year old girl. I do not Attend Rock Springs I attend another but the events that I have attended were wonderful it is a great church. My Husband and I know Pastor Benny personally and he is a mighty man of God.Keep the good work and word going Pastor and God Bless you...

#86 anon on 02/19/10 at 06:09 PM

Every one needs to be careful what they say. If you don't have proof don't say what some one else told you about some one. You can be
called to appear in court for saying something that is not true. Being anon on these comments
will not keep the courts from getting records that show who you are. So br vcareful what you
send.or say

#87 Annoymous on 02/19/10 at 06:52 PM

Very nice words!

#88 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 07:50 PM

No one has accused anyone of anything in any of these comments, just aired discord about how they feel about people who attend to that Church....but since no names have been named, there is no slander against any individuals at all.

Are you a member of that Church trying to intimidate people into silence? Just because some wish to remain ANON to you, doesn't mean we care about being ANON to Sheriff Waller or other officials.

#89 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 09:15 PM

What are you talking about? If you are trying to threaten someone, you may want to recheck the law because you don't know what you are talking about. I for one have no problem standing behind my blogs because I know the validity of them. I could say a whole lot more but I'm being nice, a whole lot nicer than the people from that church and school who spread a whole lot of hurtful and untrue rumors about former church members. I know these former church members personally, and they are good, God fearing people. The comments made about them were false, had malicious intent, and were spread by people who repeated what someone else told them without having any facts. Maybe those people need to be called to appear in court for saying something that is not true, something they had no proof of other than what someone else told them. If what you are saying is true, you may want to pass this info. along to blogger #22. If you know any blogs that contain rumors that are not true then by all means set the record straight, but don't make empty threats. The truth will come out, you can't stop it.

#90 Anonymous on 02/19/10 at 10:56 PM

Well I keep hearing people say that nothing is going to come of these allegations because the police can only go back 2 to 5 days to retrieve text messages. If that's so, then I'm sure that it's the same for blogging so if you are going to do something then you'd better hurry up. Tick Toc the clock is ticking. Give me a break. You people never cease to amaze me.

#91 Anonoymous on 02/20/10 at 07:44 AM

THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. GOD WILL NOT LET IT GO. AND I THINK SOME CHURCH MEMBERS AND SCHOOL PARENTS WILL BE SHOCKED. OR MAYBE NOT SHOCKED AT ALL JUST AGGRAVATED THAT THE COVER WAS BLOWN. I HOPE THE INVESTIGATORS DO LOOK AT ALL THE BLOGS MAYBE THEY WILL GET THE HINT. AND IM SURE THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF CHECKING OUT EVERYTHING. #28 DON'T TRY TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE IT DOSNT WORK. IF THESE BLOGS ARE RETRIVED SO BE IT,MAYBE IT WILL HELP THE POLICE GET WHAT THEY NEED. PEOPLE GET READY I THINK THIS IS A BIG ONE.

#92 Anonymous on 02/20/10 at 08:46 AM

I think some phone companys retain text messages for a couple of years, and I think law enforcement officials can subpoena them if needed; just as they can subpoena phone records.

#93 annoymous on 02/20/10 at 06:37 PM

Very True!

#94 anonymous on 02/23/10 at 10:30 AM

Its not ok to judge anyone at all

#95 Anonymous on 02/23/10 at 10:54 AM

This is the only post on this entire entry that has made sense and states a known fact.

#96 anonymous on 02/23/10 at 02:51 PM

My family members went to this school. The teachers were not certified they were all church members and family members who needed a job. It's not there place to judge and they will face God on judgement day and they will be held accountable for there actions. At one time during school hours a child went to Bishop for help with school work bc the teacher didn't know how to do the work and Bishop wanted to gossip about her family and made negative comments about them. This child told Bishop that it was no ones business what her family does but she needed help with school work. She was ignored, never got help and he continued to make negative comments about her family. Her mom went to see Bishop about this and of course he denied everything. He said the child came to him bc she wanted to date someone she was in love with and told the lady he allowed his daughter to date at 14 and get married at 16 and he was proud of it.
I believe he did what he was accused of. I heard many stories how he pulled the child out of class and kept her in his office all day.
Also the youth pastor of the church is her daddy from a previous relationship. The youth pastor is Bishop's son-in-law. So that would make Bishop her grandfather if this is true. So why would a grandfather stoop so low to do this to his grandchild.
I feel sorry for the child that this happened to. She will carry this with her for the rest of her life. She will have trouble trusting men and people who say they are preachers, pastors,christians, ect. This child has been damaged for life. I am sure she is scared and wants everything to go away.
Well Bishop always says when there is a problem he always ends up on top but I guess he won't this time.
I pray that God will take care of this child and her family. I pray he give ya'll the strength to get through this. This is just the valley you are walking through, have faith in God and when you least expect it he will bring you out of the valley. He has always brought me though the valley!!

#97 Anonymous on 02/24/10 at 10:35 AM

why do my posts always get removed?i feel jipped!

#98 Anonymous on 02/25/10 at 02:35 PM

So, who is the child and when is more news going to come out? This is sure being kept "hush hush" and the rumors are flying.

#99 Anonymous on 02/25/10 at 03:31 PM

TO HIM WITHOUT SIN, LET HIM CAST THE FIRST STONE.

#100 annonymous on 02/25/10 at 07:19 PM

He also said GO AND SIN NO MORE just thought I would finish it....

#101 Anonymous on 02/25/10 at 08:07 PM

AMEN! This comment sums up everything that a lot of people think about RS and BTate....

#102 Anonymous on 03/10/10 at 11:10 AM

Seriously???... Amazed, let me address your points;

1. You responded with, “You knew everything about the school going in (which according to you was nothing but bad) and yet you still put your child in the school?"

I didn’t say everything was bad. I simply stated what I found to be bad. What I said was, "I knew going in what the school was like, but thought that the small classroom would be beneficial. I knew going in that the teacher didn't have her degree, but was told she was working on it." What I didn't know is what I had an issue with...

I stated that "I was disappointed with the lack of structure." I didn't know that there wasn't a good structure, by my account during the initial evaluation and discussions with the school, there was plenty of structure.

I stated that "I was disappointed in the lack of education by the teachers." What I didn't know and stated was that "I didn't realize that (working on her degree) meant that the desire and intention was there." The teacher wasn't actively pursuing her education.

2. You stated "If the school is as bad as you say, then I would say your judgment is pretty bad. If you know the school is what it is and you still send your child there, how in the world do you justify complaining?"

First of all why can't I express my dissatisfaction? I simply stated my experience with the school and in "my opinion" it wasn't what I expected it to be. Second, I concede that my judgment was "bad". I acknowledged this fact by stating "I blame myself for not being persistent with my concerns." Thank you for driving that point home for me.

3. You stated, "And, I know now that you are completely spreading falsehoods. Claiming that the school had a book/CD burning and they told your child that you were going to hell because of a tattoo?!?! I cry foul and know you are just making stuff up."

The definition of knowing as defined by Merriam Webster as: “to have experience of; to be aware of the truth or factuality of; be convinced or certain of" How do you "know" that I am spreading falsehoods? Such a strong statement... Did you talk to my child? No. Therefore you do not have experience of, or are aware of the truth or factuality of and can not be certain of the events that occurred through my child. I am simply re-stating what my daughter told me. I followed up by stating that "I'm not judgmental, I just knew that my personal religious beliefs didn't match with that of the schools, nor did my personal expectations of what a school should provide." So cry foul and insist that I am making stuff up, it doesn't matter. I don't care if they did it or not, my point was that I don't believe in that and that was one of the reasons I moved her.

4. You stated, "My doctrinal beliefs don't match the school's either. This is something of which they are well aware. Yet, to this date, they have never said word one to my children about that and go out of their way to avoid indoctrinating my children with their denomination's beliefs."

You misunderstand. It doesn't matter if they tried to indoctrinate my child with their denominational beliefs. My child would ask me questions that differed from what I had taught her. So when she asks if we have any books to burn at an event; or if we are going to hell for not listening to Christian music because all other music is of the devil; or am I going to hell because of my tattoo...well those are indications that she was exposed to that thought. This by the way is ok, because it allows me to discuss with her my personal beliefs and I want her to make her own decisions regarding those kinds of issues. She needs to choose a religion that suits her, not me. And if she agrees with that, so be it.

5. You stated, "Make some more wise choices and stop spreading false information. You were aware of all these things that offended you so badly, yet you left your child in there for a year. That speaks more about you and your parenting than any supposed problems at that school."

Lashing out at me for expressing an experience is your ability to show your deficiency of understanding an informed judgment. This was not a personal attack on you, so why such a personal attack on me? It doesn’t make your comments more credible to tear the other person down. We can agree to disagree.

I can only reiterate that they are genuinely good people with different beliefs than mine. They did not meet the standard of education that I expect for my child. I am happy for you that they meet your expectations and standards.

I agree with #19. Where is the prayer for this church and its leadership? What Would Jesus Do? Maybe I should have taken a more active role in developing the school, but I didn't and maybe that was wrong. We definitely should pray for the school, church and leadership.

#103 Anonymous on 03/17/10 at 06:32 PM

They see evil spirits around the "lost" as well. They saw one around me. But never once did they reach out to tell me about God, or reach out at all.

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