these people save lives,fight fires,work carwrecks,plane crashes Ect.. for a living.some dont get paid a dime for their efforts.they train all the time.
i'v owned property in several different counties and have know emergency personal from all of them .there are no better personal than Lamar County's first responders.get yourself a scanner and listen to it and you folks will hear just what these people go through every day.the guy was going to help someone who was having a heart attack.
he would respond no matter what the weather conditions were day or night rain or shine cold or hot.he made a mistake so what!how many lives have you saved??
I'm sure there are some people who feel like it's a waste of taxpayer money to have the Fire Dept respond to emergent calls at the nursing home, but as a former employee there, I was always relieved to see Steve or any of the other fire fighters who responded to one of our codes. Usually, they arrive before the ambulance crew. If I'm in cardiac arrest in Barnesville, I'll be very happy to have the "fire truck" respond to me in a situation where every second counts.
1) they can respond faster than an ambulance as they are staged at a station that is close and an ambulance could take as much as 20 minutes to arrive depending on their call load and location.
2) Most Firefighters are also trained as an EMT
3) Firefighters are equipped for breaching/rescue operations if they are needed to reach the Victim, Ambulances are not and would have to wait for either the police or a fire engine
4)Firefighters can secure the scene, provide an assessment of your medical condition and begin treating most conditions before the ambulance arrives on the scene.
The Heritage Inn is in Barnesville right? Does anybody know why a fire truck from Milner was responding rather than the City of Barnesville? Not sure why a county vehicle is responding to a city emergency?
Looks like there are plenty of unanswered questions here that may never be answered by us.
I know that it might have been prudent to respond, and second guessing is only as good as the second guessers...
But we have a firetruck in pretty bad shape, if not totaled. We have a firefighter injured, though thankfully the article stated he was not seriously injured. All that is gonna cost us plenty.
I know sometimes when my mom was living and we called 911 there were a yard full of vehicles and emergency responders and only 1 or 2 of those folks doing anything.
Just looks like to me that someone needs to figure out a better way? Would the firetruck have gotten to Heritage Inn first in this case? Too many things are just not known.
First and formost ,I thank God the driver was not seriously hurt .
2nd If anyone has never driven a fire truck or any other class 8 vehicle, you would never begin to understand what or how something could or would go wrong ,. Thats why we have insurance to replaced things with.Accidents do happen to even professional people.Just look at the # of state troopers,city or county cars that are wrecked , So get off the firedepts back let the insurance getus another truck , for the next 911 call may be to you , From what I see we are blessed to have this quality off personel .
To answer some of your questions: Lamar County Fire and Rescue is a certified First Response organization, while Barnesville Fire Department is not. Thus, for medical calls, Barnesville does not respond, but LCFR does. As Jan said, CPR is very physically challenging, and requires a lot of hands. Thus, any call that involves or could potentially involve CPR is grounds for first responders to be dispatched. The man on Engine 1 is a first responder (actually certified and licensed as an EMT-Intermediate). If you've never been involved in a CPR call (or a code, as the lingo goes) it may be difficult to understand how much help is needed.
As for the fire engine repsonding, that is because the duty officer cannot ever be far from the truck. If he responded in a more fuel-efficient vehicle, then a fire occured, it would greatly increase response time.
First responders (including Engine 1) are not dispatched for calls that the ambulance crew can handle without help. But anything that involves chest pain, difficulty breathing, difficulty accessing a patient, or extremely heavy patient requires more than 2 people.
Because Barnesville Fire Department is not a certified First Response department. Engine 1, which covers First Response for the entire county, has been based out of Milner since the old Grove Street station (which was more central to the population in the county) was condemned.
I don't know how long ago your mother passed, or how many people responded to calls there. But the fire dept does send out "cancel" pages if there are adequate personnel on scene. Very often dispatch does not know how many people are needed to respond to an emergency, and it's better to send too many and cancel them, than it is to have inadequate personnel. You may want to look at how many personnel show up at a scene now - you'd likely agree that it is rarely too many, or that most are doing nothing.
Engine 1 has indeed responded to Heritage Inn many times, and the crew has been essential for many of those calls. It has also been dispatched and later cancelled a number of times. One benefit to having First Responders arrive in their own vehicle ("POV" as the lingo goes) is that they can often cancel Engine 1, if it's not needed. Thus saving fuel and keeping the engine available for other calls. This is particularly important for calls in the distant corners of the county, such as Pietmont Road, I-75, Forsyth-Yatesville Road, etc.
What's going to happen to the firefighter?
If he were a semi-driver, and this happened, the company would let him go. I hope everything works out for the best of all, and the truck can be salvaged.
Thank you for your response. Most of the time it was the ambulance. There were some tho that just seemed overboard, like the one I mentioned.
This was back a while... mom passed away in 2004 and I have high regard for the men and women who came to her aid when we had to call.
I am concerned about the original article though. Accidents do happen, and thankfully no other people or vehicles were involved. Also it is good that the firefighter was not severely hurt.
I expect that to understand fully, one would have to look at the original call for help, the message sent out by the 911 folks, and maybe more. But some consideration needs to be given to the experience of the responder and why he could not make that turn without such a mishap. A few seconds more to slow down a bit more and he would probably have been a hero instead of having such a mess as the article, the picture and this conversation.... but then hindsight is always 20/20.
hmm so I understand accidents happen but I do have a few thoughts also:
1.the fire truck can't actually transport a patient to a hospital correct?
2. Shouldn't there be doctors or nurses at the nursing home that know CPR and can perform it until an actual transport vehicle arrives?
The call was for cardiac arrest. The driver was a full-time, paid man with a number of years of experience here, and also a number of years experience at a bigger department. I can't speak to the cause, the speed, etc because I was not there. I presume there will be a public report at some point, but I'm not privy to when that will be, or how it'll be distributed.
You are correct when you say that you'd need to hear what dispatch said. The women who work Lamar's 911 system (all under the sheriff) can only relay that information that is given to them. Sometimes that information is sketchy, missing important points, or altogether incorrect. They are human and make mistakes too, but most often it is the (often panicked) person calling 911 who causes any mis-communication. So sometimes the response may seem greater or lesser than what may seem warranted.
Lamar firefighters are trained to give a brief radio report upon accessing any situation, and then either cancelling or asking for more resources, as appropriate. I'll tell you that I personally do not like to go on a call where I am not needed, and greatly appreciate being cancelled from such.
Kathy, you're correct that the fire truck cannot transport anyone. But the person working on it is an EMT or a paramedic. That person is needed, even if the truck is not.
By the way, some of the gear on the truck is important. Last year a person had a heart attack at Ingles. The person working the fire truck that day arrived before the ambulance, and used an AED, which was later determined to have saved that patient's life. Had the patient had to wait for the ambulance to get there for quarters, the outcome may possibly have been different. The folks who work for Mid-Ga are great, but they cannot be everywhere at once.
I can't comment about who does or should work for Heritage. Maybe you could address your question to them? If I were going to put a loved one in a nursing home, that is the kind of question I'd ask of them.
James, what do you need a "truthful" answer to? If I don't know the answer, I will try to find out for you. I think everyone has been upfront and forthright here.
Of course nursing homes have nurses that can and do perform CPR. However, CPR is an exhaustive procedure and the sooner back up arrives the better. And, NO, doctors do not make daily rounds in a nursing home like they do in the hospital.
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i'v owned property in several different counties and have know emergency personal from all of them .there are no better personal than Lamar County's first responders.get yourself a scanner and listen to it and you folks will hear just what these people go through every day.the guy was going to help someone who was having a heart attack.
he would respond no matter what the weather conditions were day or night rain or shine cold or hot.he made a mistake so what!how many lives have you saved??
2) Most Firefighters are also trained as an EMT
3) Firefighters are equipped for breaching/rescue operations if they are needed to reach the Victim, Ambulances are not and would have to wait for either the police or a fire engine
4)Firefighters can secure the scene, provide an assessment of your medical condition and begin treating most conditions before the ambulance arrives on the scene.
I know that it might have been prudent to respond, and second guessing is only as good as the second guessers...
But we have a firetruck in pretty bad shape, if not totaled. We have a firefighter injured, though thankfully the article stated he was not seriously injured. All that is gonna cost us plenty.
I know sometimes when my mom was living and we called 911 there were a yard full of vehicles and emergency responders and only 1 or 2 of those folks doing anything.
Just looks like to me that someone needs to figure out a better way? Would the firetruck have gotten to Heritage Inn first in this case? Too many things are just not known.
Julia
2nd If anyone has never driven a fire truck or any other class 8 vehicle, you would never begin to understand what or how something could or would go wrong ,. Thats why we have insurance to replaced things with.Accidents do happen to even professional people.Just look at the # of state troopers,city or county cars that are wrecked , So get off the firedepts back let the insurance getus another truck , for the next 911 call may be to you , From what I see we are blessed to have this quality off personel .
To answer some of your questions: Lamar County Fire and Rescue is a certified First Response organization, while Barnesville Fire Department is not. Thus, for medical calls, Barnesville does not respond, but LCFR does. As Jan said, CPR is very physically challenging, and requires a lot of hands. Thus, any call that involves or could potentially involve CPR is grounds for first responders to be dispatched. The man on Engine 1 is a first responder (actually certified and licensed as an EMT-Intermediate). If you've never been involved in a CPR call (or a code, as the lingo goes) it may be difficult to understand how much help is needed.
As for the fire engine repsonding, that is because the duty officer cannot ever be far from the truck. If he responded in a more fuel-efficient vehicle, then a fire occured, it would greatly increase response time.
First responders (including Engine 1) are not dispatched for calls that the ambulance crew can handle without help. But anything that involves chest pain, difficulty breathing, difficulty accessing a patient, or extremely heavy patient requires more than 2 people.
Charlie Muise
Charlie Muise
I don't know how long ago your mother passed, or how many people responded to calls there. But the fire dept does send out "cancel" pages if there are adequate personnel on scene. Very often dispatch does not know how many people are needed to respond to an emergency, and it's better to send too many and cancel them, than it is to have inadequate personnel. You may want to look at how many personnel show up at a scene now - you'd likely agree that it is rarely too many, or that most are doing nothing.
Engine 1 has indeed responded to Heritage Inn many times, and the crew has been essential for many of those calls. It has also been dispatched and later cancelled a number of times. One benefit to having First Responders arrive in their own vehicle ("POV" as the lingo goes) is that they can often cancel Engine 1, if it's not needed. Thus saving fuel and keeping the engine available for other calls. This is particularly important for calls in the distant corners of the county, such as Pietmont Road, I-75, Forsyth-Yatesville Road, etc.
Charlie Muise
If he were a semi-driver, and this happened, the company would let him go. I hope everything works out for the best of all, and the truck can be salvaged.
Thank you for your response. Most of the time it was the ambulance. There were some tho that just seemed overboard, like the one I mentioned.
This was back a while... mom passed away in 2004 and I have high regard for the men and women who came to her aid when we had to call.
I am concerned about the original article though. Accidents do happen, and thankfully no other people or vehicles were involved. Also it is good that the firefighter was not severely hurt.
I expect that to understand fully, one would have to look at the original call for help, the message sent out by the 911 folks, and maybe more. But some consideration needs to be given to the experience of the responder and why he could not make that turn without such a mishap. A few seconds more to slow down a bit more and he would probably have been a hero instead of having such a mess as the article, the picture and this conversation.... but then hindsight is always 20/20.
Julia
1.the fire truck can't actually transport a patient to a hospital correct?
2. Shouldn't there be doctors or nurses at the nursing home that know CPR and can perform it until an actual transport vehicle arrives?
The call was for cardiac arrest. The driver was a full-time, paid man with a number of years of experience here, and also a number of years experience at a bigger department. I can't speak to the cause, the speed, etc because I was not there. I presume there will be a public report at some point, but I'm not privy to when that will be, or how it'll be distributed.
You are correct when you say that you'd need to hear what dispatch said. The women who work Lamar's 911 system (all under the sheriff) can only relay that information that is given to them. Sometimes that information is sketchy, missing important points, or altogether incorrect. They are human and make mistakes too, but most often it is the (often panicked) person calling 911 who causes any mis-communication. So sometimes the response may seem greater or lesser than what may seem warranted.
Lamar firefighters are trained to give a brief radio report upon accessing any situation, and then either cancelling or asking for more resources, as appropriate. I'll tell you that I personally do not like to go on a call where I am not needed, and greatly appreciate being cancelled from such.
Charlie Muise
By the way, some of the gear on the truck is important. Last year a person had a heart attack at Ingles. The person working the fire truck that day arrived before the ambulance, and used an AED, which was later determined to have saved that patient's life. Had the patient had to wait for the ambulance to get there for quarters, the outcome may possibly have been different. The folks who work for Mid-Ga are great, but they cannot be everywhere at once.
I can't comment about who does or should work for Heritage. Maybe you could address your question to them? If I were going to put a loved one in a nursing home, that is the kind of question I'd ask of them.
Charlie Muise
Charlie Muise