Permitting a horse racetrack and other farm-related activities at the old English farm on High Falls Park Road and Chappell Mill Road hit yet another snag.
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"I can hear that Mexican screaming through the trees"
Sorry, I'll try and keep it down... When my horses are racing,I cheer them on. I get just as excited, when their in training race's, as I do when there in Louisanna, running stakes races. I'm pretty sure, it's mostly me, and my "white American friends, and family" you are hearing. Next race I'll bring some duct tape.
Most businesses of this scope and amount of activity have a business plan and a real business license. Why our county cannot handle a loophole in the law escapes me completely! It has been months and we have not gotten this corrected or shut down. WHY??????????????
I am glad that the ambulance service is at the track when races are being run. Is the veterinarian on the premises while racing?
The noise and the fact that everything is pretty much in Spanish should be an eye-opener to the county too.
I have been told more than once that there IS gambling out there. And a purse won at the end of the day... gambling? lottery? what????????
I believe if trying to do this the "right way" was true, then a business plan would have been submitted for all the activity planned for this farm and racetrack, that a business license would have been sought, that loopholes would not have been the way this racetrack was put together.
Is the veterinarian on the premises while racing?" Yes, there is a veterinarian on the premises.
"I have been told more than once that there IS gambling out there" Do you believe everything that you are told? Why not come out and see for yourself?
"And a purse won at the end of the day... gambling? lottery? what????????" We have jackpot barrel races in this county all the time. Whats the difference?
In a jackpot barrel race, contestents usually pay 20.00, 5.00 of which goes to the arena owner, and 15.00 is payed out as the purse. The only thing I see, that is being done different, is that Mr. English is paying out 100% of the money, he is not keeping any for the track.
You are making a lot more out of this than it really is. Horses are comming out of starting gates and running an average of 250 yds. Most racehorse injuries come from fatigue, in longer races. These are schooling, or training races, not 870 yd races, where fatigue, and injuries, are much more likely .
In barrel races, horses come down the alley at full speed, and turn 3 barrels, now in which event do you really think a horse is more likely to be injured?
Check this out.... if there is going to be racing, looks like AAEP outta be involved. The entire article is available to Mr. English if he is interested. He can find me on Facebook.
The AAEP acknowledges that the following recommendations for modification of the business model of racing will have significant economic implications (some positive, some negative) for racing managers. We do not make these recommendations lightly. Further, we emphasize that one of our highest priorities as an industry must be to reduce equine injuries. The greatest potential for decreasing injury exists in making procedural and policy changes within the business model of racing, particularly in the claiming arena.
In order to put the safety and welfare of the horse first in the business model of racing, the AAEP recommends:
• A critical analysis by the racing industry of the safety and welfare implications of the current schedules, procedures and policies surrounding the conditioning, sale and racing of two- year-old horses.
• A period of rest for all horses to provide an opportunity to refresh and diminish the volume of persistent cyclic loading that occurs in the absence of rest.
• No horse shall be permitted to race within 10 days of its last start.
• Every horse entered to race shall be on association grounds in sufficient time to have a pre-race veterinary inspection for racing soundness by the regulatory veterinarian.
• Standardization and enhancement of pre-race and post-race veterinary examinations with mandatory cross-jurisdictional sharing of information.
• In those jurisdictions that practice it, racetrack management must discontinue the coercion of trainers to enter horses according to stall allotment.
• Uniform participation by all jurisdictions in injury reporting for both racing and training injuries.
• Investment by all racing venues in capital improvements of the racetrack that will enhance horse, rider and personnel safety, such as safety rails, padded starting gates, and helmets and vests for starting gate personnel.
• The development in all racing jurisdictions of a program for rehabilitation, retraining and adoption for horses whose racing careers have ended. These programs should reinforce owner responsibility and support a secondary market for racehorses. The Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program in Farmington, NY is an example of successful collaboration between racetrack management and horsemen. Any new programs can be linked nationally with the Unwanted Horse Coalition, currently operated by the American Horse Council.
• The generation of funds by the industry to assist in the transition of horses from racing into second careers.
• Governance change within the horse racing industry to establish uniform regulatory authority to accomplish widespread and consistent compliance throughout the industry.
• Development of continuing education and accreditation programs for owners, trainers, stewards, jockeys, grooms, starters, farriers, veterinarians and security personnel.
Why would the fact everything is in Spanish be an eye opener? Have you been to any of the local events where they are speaking & singing in English only. I rest my case.
Julia, are you naturally born a prejudice witch? We are in AMERICA which is the melting pot of the world where all races are int enter-twined. What does it matter as far as their nationality or language preference to you? Seriously?
I've been there personally and absolutely love the plans that Mr English has for the section of his family farm to be used in such an amazing way. You cannot start off a thriving and productive venture without a plan and trust me he has BIG plans and just to let you know since you are so darn anti-Mexican ... most of us that plan to be a part of it do speak English. (GASP!)
Are the "contestents" paying the entry fees and getting payouts from those fees, like legitimate automobile racing tracks and many other businesses do?
Or is this gambling or betting by spectators on races, like illegal, unsanctioned, automobile racing tracks do?
There is a huge difference between paying out a purse to competitors from entry fees, something that widely occurs, and allowing or overlooking gambling or betting between spectators.
Of course in this county, even if you apply for a license or permit and they issue it, the morons downtown think they can penalize someone. Maybe they are just confused, and think UNlicensed businesses with gambling are OK.
Last I knew, America is an English speaking country. I have nothing against spanish speaking folks, especially after having lived in Key West for a number of years. Lots of people are bilingual, but if these events and the Facebook page are primarily in Spanish, then maybe some folks need to learn the English language or go back home to where Spanish is their language is primary to their country. I rest my case too, on this matter.
(I don't usually talk with people who have no name, but this was important, so I made an exception for you, Mr. WDM).
Mrs Julia I would highly encourage you to go Sunday afternoon & actually witness the horserace & its mild mannered crowd before you jump both feet in against this. You will be greatly disappointed that you have been led to believe this is some rowdy, loud, out of control event.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Dr. Chanda Moxon, is a member of AAEP. And I also believe, if you actually went to one of these races, you would see that she is on site.
Learn the industry, before trying to police it please. You have thus far failed to make a credible arguement.
"We discourage gambling and try to stop it every way we can, It’s not legal and if we catch anyone we ask them to leave." This is a previous quote from Mr. English.
I haven't seen any money being passed,or any other sign's of gambling, such as argueing, or fighting.
Sorry, I'll try and keep it down... When my horses are racing,I cheer them on. I get just as excited, when their in training race's, as I do when there in Louisanna, running stakes races. I'm pretty sure, it's mostly me, and my "white American friends, and family" you are hearing. Next race I'll bring some duct tape.
I am glad that the ambulance service is at the track when races are being run. Is the veterinarian on the premises while racing?
The noise and the fact that everything is pretty much in Spanish should be an eye-opener to the county too.
I have been told more than once that there IS gambling out there. And a purse won at the end of the day... gambling? lottery? what????????
I believe if trying to do this the "right way" was true, then a business plan would have been submitted for all the activity planned for this farm and racetrack, that a business license would have been sought, that loopholes would not have been the way this racetrack was put together.
Julia
"I have been told more than once that there IS gambling out there" Do you believe everything that you are told? Why not come out and see for yourself?
"And a purse won at the end of the day... gambling? lottery? what????????" We have jackpot barrel races in this county all the time. Whats the difference?
In a jackpot barrel race, contestents usually pay 20.00, 5.00 of which goes to the arena owner, and 15.00 is payed out as the purse. The only thing I see, that is being done different, is that Mr. English is paying out 100% of the money, he is not keeping any for the track.
You are making a lot more out of this than it really is. Horses are comming out of starting gates and running an average of 250 yds. Most racehorse injuries come from fatigue, in longer races. These are schooling, or training races, not 870 yd races, where fatigue, and injuries, are much more likely .
In barrel races, horses come down the alley at full speed, and turn 3 barrels, now in which event do you really think a horse is more likely to be injured?
The AAEP acknowledges that the following recommendations for modification of the business model of racing will have significant economic implications (some positive, some negative) for racing managers. We do not make these recommendations lightly. Further, we emphasize that one of our highest priorities as an industry must be to reduce equine injuries. The greatest potential for decreasing injury exists in making procedural and policy changes within the business model of racing, particularly in the claiming arena.
In order to put the safety and welfare of the horse first in the business model of racing, the AAEP recommends:
• A critical analysis by the racing industry of the safety and welfare implications of the current schedules, procedures and policies surrounding the conditioning, sale and racing of two- year-old horses.
• A period of rest for all horses to provide an opportunity to refresh and diminish the volume of persistent cyclic loading that occurs in the absence of rest.
• No horse shall be permitted to race within 10 days of its last start.
• Every horse entered to race shall be on association grounds in sufficient time to have a pre-race veterinary inspection for racing soundness by the regulatory veterinarian.
• Standardization and enhancement of pre-race and post-race veterinary examinations with mandatory cross-jurisdictional sharing of information.
• In those jurisdictions that practice it, racetrack management must discontinue the coercion of trainers to enter horses according to stall allotment.
• Uniform participation by all jurisdictions in injury reporting for both racing and training injuries.
• Investment by all racing venues in capital improvements of the racetrack that will enhance horse, rider and personnel safety, such as safety rails, padded starting gates, and helmets and vests for starting gate personnel.
• The development in all racing jurisdictions of a program for rehabilitation, retraining and adoption for horses whose racing careers have ended. These programs should reinforce owner responsibility and support a secondary market for racehorses. The Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program in Farmington, NY is an example of successful collaboration between racetrack management and horsemen. Any new programs can be linked nationally with the Unwanted Horse Coalition, currently operated by the American Horse Council.
• The generation of funds by the industry to assist in the transition of horses from racing into second careers.
• Governance change within the horse racing industry to establish uniform regulatory authority to accomplish widespread and consistent compliance throughout the industry.
• Development of continuing education and accreditation programs for owners, trainers, stewards, jockeys, grooms, starters, farriers, veterinarians and security personnel.
I've been there personally and absolutely love the plans that Mr English has for the section of his family farm to be used in such an amazing way. You cannot start off a thriving and productive venture without a plan and trust me he has BIG plans and just to let you know since you are so darn anti-Mexican ... most of us that plan to be a part of it do speak English. (GASP!)
I'm not sure what you are saying.
Are the "contestents" paying the entry fees and getting payouts from those fees, like legitimate automobile racing tracks and many other businesses do?
Or is this gambling or betting by spectators on races, like illegal, unsanctioned, automobile racing tracks do?
There is a huge difference between paying out a purse to competitors from entry fees, something that widely occurs, and allowing or overlooking gambling or betting between spectators.
Of course in this county, even if you apply for a license or permit and they issue it, the morons downtown think they can penalize someone. Maybe they are just confused, and think UNlicensed businesses with gambling are OK.
(I don't usually talk with people who have no name, but this was important, so I made an exception for you, Mr. WDM).
Julia
Learn the industry, before trying to police it please. You have thus far failed to make a credible arguement.
I haven't seen any money being passed,or any other sign's of gambling, such as argueing, or fighting.
LCSO will have to import undercover that fit in to work the crowd.