Haven't we been taxed enough already?

Better face the facts. The Republicans are just as much to blame as the Democrats, and cutting taxes won't work.

We have all sat back far too long and allowed our government to steer our ship toward an uninhabitable destination. We can blame the few billion we lose on illegals, but look at the money it costs us because we moved away from being a one language nation that required new citizens to learn English! With schools barely able to teach we spend money on special teachers for Spanish, many of who are either not citizens or who became citizens just by being squeezed out of the oven while mama was in the USA. (What are we now, 15th in the world for education?)

We supply illegals who make well over minimum wage full health care and other benefits, while they use fake SS numbers and names to avoid paying any tax, and I can prove this is being done. At the same time a hard-working tax-paying $20 citizen doesn't get health care. I pay $14,000 a year for health care, and could still easily go bankrupt with one major medical problem.

Instead of going after the big money loss, we want to send a few prisoners back to Mexico so they can sneak back in later through our open borders.

Our great Republican leaders from Georgia, including the dip-wad who calls on the telephone with his "town hall meetings", all refuse to do anything. Just as the Democrats do.

While Obama is far from perfect, he in reality is no worse (and often a lot better) than any Republicans I've looked at. We've let it get this way because we allow ourselves to be sucked into the hate politics that pit us against each other while they ALL shaft us royally by playing on our emotions.

The economic framework we are in is so very simple to understand it is frustrating to see so many people who "don't get it" trying to rally others. It's simple.

Imagine every nation as a household.

Once we had a huge nice house, good weather, rich soil, easy oil, lots of rooms, more than enough raw materials to build anything, and lots of people were coming into our house to work and share in our resources. We sold much more to the neighboring households than we bought, so we started collecting huge amounts of cash. Everyone had a good chance at cash, even not so smart and not so educated people, because there was a lot of cash coming in.

Around 1960 we started using so many of our household's oil resources, we actually depleted the easy oil. We started to go offshore for easy cheap oil. Then we started letting people in other households work for us. We'd sell them our raw ores and let them process them, and then pay them for the labor plus a markup on our raw materials. We took it out of our savings.

We allowed more and more of our household's jobs to be done in neighbor's houses, and we simply transferred cash to them for their work.

Then we started buying raw materials and finished goods from people living in shacks with the garbage being dumped into the air and water, and giving them money. They had less cost because they didn't pay for trash pick up, education, or health care. It was cheaper to buy things from those neighbors so we quit paying members of our own household to work. We started paying them just to sit on their rears, or to shove our money around.

We've made this worse and worse for 40 years or so now. Reagan accelerated it by taking us totally in the wrong direction.

http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2008/12/the-fruits-of-the-reagan-revolution.html

This is really why we are where we are. It took 40 years to get here, a place where we are not near number one in anything meaningful. We better start telling the truth and turn this ship around. It isn't going to be a Democrat or Republican that will pull us out of this mess, because our political system plays on hatred and lies and telling half-truths in order to stay in power.

It wasn't Bill's special cigars or a Republican's romantic foot tap under a bathroom stall divider that put us here. It was our overall national policy.

If we elect Republicans, we will have a slightly different course to the very same destination. If we elect Democrats, it will be the same course to the same destination. Either way we will continue to head toward the fatal fall.

Crying about spending and taxes won't do a thing because it isn't the core problem. The core problem is we didn't look our for our household while we had money and resources. We lost our money, we depleted our resources, and we can't even sell our brains when we are turning out children who overall are 10-20th in the world in IMPORTANT educational arenas.

We can't get rich again until we look at what really happened to get us here, and that has not been what happened the last six months or six years.

Gary,

I notice instead of answering any points, you tried (like Shirley does when she has no answers) to turn this into a emotional debate or name calling session. I am neither liberal nor conservative. Both names make me ill.

Some "special" conservatives tend to slap others with their own particular breed of Jesus Fish and act holier than all others, while our nation is based on freedom from having one person's particular faith shoved down other's throats. Religion, business, and politics or business are two separate issues for me.

Liberals are just as bad the other way.

Both groups are what have killed the USA. They start mindless personal arguments instead of discussing facts.

The fact is it doesn't matter how much money we spend inside the circle of the USA. It is a closed loop of money. If you start spending money by handing it to your wife, and she spends money by handing it back inside your household....you don't need any more gross income. It all stays the same.

What breaks our backs is uncontrolled spending outside our country. This is wealth we accumulated that leaves. It will never come back unless we sell labor or materials overseas. That is the real problem. It has drained our wealth and now we are low on resources. We have little to sell.

Instead of pointing fingers or using ad hominem attacks, tell others what we should do.

I can do that without attacking anyone. Why can't you?

We should add a tax on imports that levels the playing field to our environmental and life quality standards. That money should be dedicated to helping us compete in the world markets, or keeping the world clean. Then anything we buy would in effect be from people with the same life and environmental standards we force on businesses here. We would be competing on a level field where the hardest working most innovative people can win, and we could win. We can't get in the mud and wrestle for jobs with people living in one room quarters for a whole family, who have no services, and whose Government pays any health care and retirement.

We should convert welfare into work-fair. If someone is paid for sitting home, even unemployment, they can get their rears outside and clean the roads. They can cut weeds, they can paint. They can babysit for working people. They can clean. They can go to school and maintain a certain grade. They can do something if they want free money.

We should seal the borders and change the laws that allow any child of illegals born here to automatically become a citizen. We should make English mandatory, and if you have a child who cannot speak English the parents must learn and use English in a reasonable time or they get no help. We need to stop the Social Security and Tax fraud by illegals by jailing or extracting the money from their employers.

You won't find a Republican or Democrat who wants this because it will cost them votes.

The fact is we have been shafted for 40 years now as people have used ad hominem attacks, guns, taxes, or religion to divert the issue from the real problems that are killing us. Suggest something we can do besides spewing the old worn canned responses like "no more taxes" or "you must be a xxxx because you don't agree with me, and I'm wonderful".

What would you have us do? Insulting people, preaching, classifying, or calling names aside, what would you do and why?